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What do we know about the novel coronavirus?
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  • @hardimpact ...."If many people never develop an antibody, that effectively means that they can be carriers, over and over and over again. I just don't think this thing will end until everyone gets it. " ...your statement makes no sense. If people don't develop antibodies that protect them against future infections, then how will everybody getting sick help end the pandemic ? Herd immunity is a false, foolish, cruel...and lazy solution.

  • @Vitaliy....it doesn't make a difference who's in control. They're failing. And as the pandemic continues to dismantle society, people will seek another idea to rule their lives, whether it be communism, agrarianism, tribalism, or aliens. You've heard about project blue beam ? Any number of false saviors are waiting in the wings.

  • @Vitaliy....great thing about Mexico...we don't do the mortgage illusion. Everybody owns their home outright. If they're poor, they buy their plot, with whatever resources they can scrounge together. Then they build a shed....and little by little have a home. Not even the govt can evict someone off their property here. Of course in the usa the solution is also simple....give them the finger...and if enough people shaft the banksters, could they evict everyone ? And eviction only works if the police enforce it. Soon we'll see large groups promoting simultaneous default.

  • @kurth I wasn't recommending any solutions. I was just pointing out when this all would end. It looks like it will take much, much longer regardless of who is infected(ie healthy) now.

  • Workers in protective equipment oversaw the gassing of 10,000 mother mink and around 50,000 mink pups on a farm in the southern Dutch town of De Mortel on Tuesday over fears they could infect humans with the new coronavirus.

    Real shits.

  • The systems the elites depend on for their authority and power are now little more than fractals of incompetence, structures dominated by incompetence in every level and every nook and cranny, from the lowest paid employees to the top leadership.

    All these systems serve the interests of insiders and vested interests first, the priorities of the elites second and the public / customers third, if at all.

    My early post in this thread

    Remember -

    The Peter Principle is: "In a hierarchy every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence".

    "In time, every post tends to be occupied by an employee who is incompetent to carry out its duties". Work is accomplished by those employees who have not yet reached their level of incompetence.

    We are at terminal state now.

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    Finally. Why so slow?

    Now it is time to move further and destroy really important capitalism monuments.

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  • Need to move further, as monoments are not main, but one of important foundations of ruling class order.

  • Why so adamant to destroy vitaliy, you are on fire.

    Lol

  • @endotoxic

    Sometimes destruction is required.

    If you have ruling class sitting on the stool it is good idea to saw off a leg.

  • VK is that your thought everywhere in the world (for example Syria my homeland)?

  • @sammy

    What exactly you mean?

    It is my thoughs if we talk not about imperialist conflict for resources and instead about internal conflict against ruling class.

  • Sooo.. I was claiming for revolution some while ago you and kurth chilling me down, what a surprise. now, here you are decided and all in VK. I feel you.

  • @endotoxic

    It is not revolution.

    Loud words being pronounced in the wrong moment for the wrong reason and without meaning have no value, just noise.

  • It is also important to understand police status in all this.

    Without police that people respect second wave won't work as planned.

    In fact, in this case we can have not "it is not capitalis, it is all virus" but "it is capitalism that is impotent and unable to solve real virus problem" as main feeling among people in all the world. And this transformation is deadly.

  • Tourism industry will flourish, may be

    The European Union plans to ban travel from the US when it reopens its borders on July 1st because of the Trump administration’s poor handling of the COVID-19 pandemic, according to a report from The New York Times. Under current plans, the US would join Brazil and Russia on the list of forbidden countries.

    Good news. I propose also to ban all of EU bureaucrats and prevent them to enter any EU country. Just based on their stupidity overall.

  • I prefer "materialism" rather than capitalism. Materialism includes whatever type of economic system that bases worldview values on the manipulation of material goods. Communism, socialism, capitalism, fascism, feudalism etc . They're all just variations on a theme. And they're all failing. All 100% of world governments and their leaders, and all of the systems support, are failing. Science, as the ultimate expression of the material world view, is failing. And this crisis, if it continues, won't have a winner that's already in the circle. Something other will emerge. A new worldview. It might take a century. It will be a worldview that resolves the problem, in a fashion we can't conceive. I would venture a guess that it will be a great struggle between naturalist and transhumanist. Most "naturalist" know intuitively that this house of cards can't continue. It's not how we manage the goods, it's the exploitation and depletion of resources. The "materialist" will wage war to continue their rape of the planet, even to the point that they will change humanity to adapt to an increasingly hostile environment. I can easily see medical procedures and "adaptations" performed on humans to adapt to living in a world of killer viruses, which will proliferate far beyond coronavirus, if this materialist version of "science" isn't stopped. Honestly how can we call it humanistic science when it's goal was to enhance gain of function of deadly viruses ?

  • Well, so as of today can I say no one know wtf is COVID-19? I am thinking we are all following media with some of generated proof from science , from whoever has knowledge if wtf he ( she) is talking about? Personal-views is your views behaved from media, from what your knowledge from school , from your leader, from trust source you are believing ?

  • @kurth

    I prefer "materialism" rather than capitalism. Materialism includes whatever type of economic system that bases worldview values on the manipulation of material goods. Communism, socialism, capitalism, fascism, feudalism etc . They're all just variations on a theme. And they're all failing.

    I suggest not to give words your own meaning and after this start to make some strange conclusions.

    Materialism has clear common definition, suggest to also read how it differs from idealism.

    All 100% of world governments and their leaders, and all of the systems support, are failing. Science, as the ultimate expression of the material world view, is failing. And this crisis, if it continues, won't have a winner that's already in the circle. Something other will emerge. A new worldview. It might take a century. It will be a worldview that resolves the problem, in a fashion we can't conceive.

    Well, if you try to watch or listen to petty bourgeoisie latest thoughs they pretty much match yours.

    And they happen as they are not able to look on situation from proper point of view. Theya re afraid that their lafe will change radically (of course it will).

    It's not how we manage the goods, it's the exploitation and depletion of resources. The "materialist" will wage war to continue their rape of the planet, even to the point that they will change humanity to adapt to an increasingly hostile environment.

    Well, ideas of "green approach" or of "fighting global warming" is nothing new. It is just modern idea on how to reform capitalism and make it proper sustainable thing. Won't work.

    The "materialist" will wage war to continue their rape of the planet, even to the point that they will change humanity to adapt to an increasingly hostile environment.

    Actually it is now extreme idealists who are raping the planet, as idealism is foundation of capitalism.

    Transformation of nature will continue under communism, as whol idea is to make it non hostile environment (and original nature is very histile environment).

    I can easily see medical procedures and "adaptations" performed on humans to adapt to living in a world of killer viruses, which will proliferate far beyond coronavirus, if this materialist version of "science" isn't stopped. Honestly how can we call it humanistic science when it's goal was to enhance gain of function of deadly viruses ?

    It is not clear that you think.

    But it is 100% certain that with destruction of capitalism we'll be able to cure almost all common viruses without vaccines. Nature is very slow adapting thing. And doom and gloom scenarious here are not related to reality.

  • @Vitaliy.....you might read about where it all started.... https://www.britannica.com/topic/materialism-philosophy/History-of-materialism ....to understand what it really means.

  • @kurth

    :-) I talked about your strange definition of the world and usage of it.

    It is also little fun to refer materialist to the article writte in one of the central capitalist (read idealists!) encyclopedias. As it is text written on the subject by the enemies of materialism.

  • Are we living the systemic failure of reasoning?

  • @Vitaliy....it's not a strange use...it's the origin of the word. Of course you can invent whatever definition you like...for yourself. What this all reminds me of.... is when the taliban destroyed the Buddha images in Afghanistan. And most pseudo leftist today are similar to the taliban. I believe the same thing happened in Russia in 1917. They destroyed all the statues of the czars. But that's where any resemblance ends, and that's your mistake...to draw similarities between Russia in 1917 and the USa in 2020.