@hardimpact ...."If many people never develop an antibody, that effectively means that they can be carriers, over and over and over again. I just don't think this thing will end until everyone gets it. " ...your statement makes no sense. If people don't develop antibodies that protect them against future infections, then how will everybody getting sick help end the pandemic ? Herd immunity is a false, foolish, cruel...and lazy solution.

@Vitaliy....great thing about Mexico...we don't do the mortgage illusion. Everybody owns their home outright. If they're poor, they buy their plot, with whatever resources they can scrounge together. Then they build a shed....and little by little have a home. Not even the govt can evict someone off their property here. Of course in the usa the solution is also simple....give them the finger...and if enough people shaft the banksters, could they evict everyone ? And eviction only works if the police enforce it. Soon we'll see large groups promoting simultaneous default.

Workers in protective equipment oversaw the gassing of 10,000 mother mink and around 50,000 mink pups on a farm in the southern Dutch town of De Mortel on Tuesday over fears they could infect humans with the new coronavirus.

Real shits.

what if nobody's in control.... more roman metaphors.... http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-illusion-of-control-what-if-nobodys.html

Finally. Why so slow?

Now it is time to move further and destroy really important capitalism monuments.

Why so adamant to destroy vitaliy, you are on fire.

Lol

VK is that your thought everywhere in the world (for example Syria my homeland)?

Sooo.. I was claiming for revolution some while ago you and kurth chilling me down, what a surprise. now, here you are decided and all in VK. I feel you.

It is also important to understand police status in all this.

Without police that people respect second wave won't work as planned.

In fact, in this case we can have not "it is not capitalis, it is all virus" but "it is capitalism that is impotent and unable to solve real virus problem" as main feeling among people in all the world. And this transformation is deadly.

I prefer "materialism" rather than capitalism. Materialism includes whatever type of economic system that bases worldview values on the manipulation of material goods. Communism, socialism, capitalism, fascism, feudalism etc . They're all just variations on a theme. And they're all failing. All 100% of world governments and their leaders, and all of the systems support, are failing. Science, as the ultimate expression of the material world view, is failing. And this crisis, if it continues, won't have a winner that's already in the circle. Something other will emerge. A new worldview. It might take a century. It will be a worldview that resolves the problem, in a fashion we can't conceive. I would venture a guess that it will be a great struggle between naturalist and transhumanist. Most "naturalist" know intuitively that this house of cards can't continue. It's not how we manage the goods, it's the exploitation and depletion of resources. The "materialist" will wage war to continue their rape of the planet, even to the point that they will change humanity to adapt to an increasingly hostile environment. I can easily see medical procedures and "adaptations" performed on humans to adapt to living in a world of killer viruses, which will proliferate far beyond coronavirus, if this materialist version of "science" isn't stopped. Honestly how can we call it humanistic science when it's goal was to enhance gain of function of deadly viruses ?

@kurth

I prefer "materialism" rather than capitalism. Materialism includes whatever type of economic system that bases worldview values on the manipulation of material goods. Communism, socialism, capitalism, fascism, feudalism etc . They're all just variations on a theme. And they're all failing.

I suggest not to give words your own meaning and after this start to make some strange conclusions.

Materialism has clear common definition, suggest to also read how it differs from idealism.

All 100% of world governments and their leaders, and all of the systems support, are failing. Science, as the ultimate expression of the material world view, is failing. And this crisis, if it continues, won't have a winner that's already in the circle. Something other will emerge. A new worldview. It might take a century. It will be a worldview that resolves the problem, in a fashion we can't conceive.

Well, if you try to watch or listen to petty bourgeoisie latest thoughs they pretty much match yours.

And they happen as they are not able to look on situation from proper point of view. Theya re afraid that their lafe will change radically (of course it will).

It's not how we manage the goods, it's the exploitation and depletion of resources. The "materialist" will wage war to continue their rape of the planet, even to the point that they will change humanity to adapt to an increasingly hostile environment.

Well, ideas of "green approach" or of "fighting global warming" is nothing new. It is just modern idea on how to reform capitalism and make it proper sustainable thing. Won't work.

The "materialist" will wage war to continue their rape of the planet, even to the point that they will change humanity to adapt to an increasingly hostile environment.

Actually it is now extreme idealists who are raping the planet, as idealism is foundation of capitalism.

Transformation of nature will continue under communism, as whol idea is to make it non hostile environment (and original nature is very histile environment).

I can easily see medical procedures and "adaptations" performed on humans to adapt to living in a world of killer viruses, which will proliferate far beyond coronavirus, if this materialist version of "science" isn't stopped. Honestly how can we call it humanistic science when it's goal was to enhance gain of function of deadly viruses ?

It is not clear that you think.

But it is 100% certain that with destruction of capitalism we'll be able to cure almost all common viruses without vaccines. Nature is very slow adapting thing. And doom and gloom scenarious here are not related to reality.

@kurth

:-) I talked about your strange definition of the world and usage of it.

It is also little fun to refer materialist to the article writte in one of the central capitalist (read idealists!) encyclopedias. As it is text written on the subject by the enemies of materialism.

@Vitaliy....it's not a strange use...it's the origin of the word. Of course you can invent whatever definition you like...for yourself. What this all reminds me of.... is when the taliban destroyed the Buddha images in Afghanistan. And most pseudo leftist today are similar to the taliban. I believe the same thing happened in Russia in 1917. They destroyed all the statues of the czars. But that's where any resemblance ends, and that's your mistake...to draw similarities between Russia in 1917 and the USa in 2020.