Personal View site logo
Make sure to join PV on Telegram or Facebook! Perfect to keep up with community on your smartphone.
Please, support PV!
It allows to keep PV going, with more focus towards AI, but keeping be one of the few truly independent places.
War: Chronicles of 22.02.22 war
  • 266 Replies sorted by
  • @garroulus I have been on the site since the GH2 days. Don't start getting paranoid about special/secret agents. Vitaly has my brief details. I'm retired but I worked as a statistician and for a while as a musician. I previously have spent a lot of my time posting criticisms of my own government and Trump in the British press. But Putin's war is a massively dangerous mistake and I think that most intelligent people should be able to agree on that.

  • The optimistic picture of the future that Vitaly presents is of a successful fit between Russia the producer of the raw materials and China the manufacturer. Normally this is the third world/developed world model. Unfortunately for you,if you have ever spoken to anyone that has travelled around Africa (and elsewhere I've heard), China is all over the place doing public works and securing future supplies of materials (particularly rare ones). Russia will have tied itself to China but I sense that China is already having concerns about the tail wagging the dog. Russia will be a price taker not a price setter. China will be your master.

    Russia could produce fine software engineers and try to compete with India but Vitaly's plan for mass pirating is going to limit their chances of selling to the huge market outside Russia and China. There are downsides to all illegal actions.

    If Putin remains in power, he may well be wanted for war crimes and crimes against humanity so Russia may become a pariah state with its citizens fighting over a diminishing cake. The poor cannot take much of a cut so the professional classes will have to take a large one. Start building the walls you are going to need.

    You will also be pouring resources into trying to control and rebuild a very large country which hates you and the cost of that will be colossal.

    Your separation from the cultural, scientific and sporting will take further joy from your lives. You will be building your own gigantic jail.

    That is the nightmare alternative to Vitaly's optimistic scenario. I really hope it doesn't come to that.

    Just stop the war now and remove the man responsible for it. European citizens do not yet see the Russian people as the enemy and perhaps we now can see and address the many problems you have. And, before you say it Vitaly, I know we are not perfect and we have a lot of problems of our own to sort out but war is not the answer.

  • @G3550D i apologize. But still Vitality explained quite clearly that it's not about Putin and we heard this name so many times that you should stop for a second and think for your self...otherwise stop coming with the same that we can see on most of the mass media.

  • Just to add, Ukraine post maidan is a coup state and nazism hub, with huge paramilitary nazist movement, thats been activelly spreading nazism and training nazist militants from arround the globe, fomenting nazist grip into third world countries. It's not this because putin said so, they themselves have been prolific using social media to boast about it for years long now.

    All that sweet talking here about russia should be noble looks a lot more like fear of the water thats already rised up to everyone asses. EU and USA upper and middle class are really not worried of Ukraine people well being, or russian people standards of life, the same way they dont care about third world and dont give a fuck about nazists spreading into third world with Ukraine hand.

  • @RoadsidePicnic

    EU and US leading military professionals trained Nazis, aimed them with huge amount of modern weapons, provided millions of mines.

    Now NATO satellite intel is used to coordinate movement of Nazis forces and possible strikes.

    Action of western corporations, sports and culture organizations show coordinated Nazist actions. Where it is nation that is declared bad, that is target, not Putin.

  • Hi Vitaly, Garroulous. After some thougbt I've decided to leave the forum. The new Russian Law leaves the possibility open that Vitaly could end up in jail if something I say is regarded as fake news and that is not a risk I want to take. I do try to tell the truth but I can get things wrong.

    I too am from the working class (though I am better off now) and always see politics in terms of their/our interests so it's a great pity that, in political terms, I can't agree with much of what you write.

    But Garroulous, I really am not an agent. (edit -I think you have accepted this) My real name is Stan Willis and I have a very average channel on youtube. In the unlikely event that you want to check out my saxophone playing, go back to the very first video 'Round Midnite'.

    Anyway, maybe some happier time in the future, if I am still around, I will look in again. Thanks to Vitaly for all his hard work over the years. Goodbye for now.

  • Thanks @G3550D for your viewpoint. I appreciated it. It is sad to see you go. I too will have to think carefully what I say on here due to the new law, in order to prevent trouble for this forum.

  • @G3550D

    Don't rush. Just be gentle and careful. War is war, after all.

    With communities most people do same error as in marriage - they take it for granted, instead of nourishing it, supporting partners during hard times and keep the constant contact during good times.

    This illusion of endless choice is just bad illusion, as it is made by ruling class that is just cloning various shit and selling you different kind of it as real alternatives.

  • Current progress:


    800 x 644 - 87K
  • @G3550D liked and subscribed. Don't take it to serious from my part is miserable enough.

  • Ultimately, putin made the decision and it can't be undone. He's what, 69 now? He is likely past caring about what people care about his actions. Focus on helping those in Ukraine that can be helped at this point instead of arguing over something that we can't change. I think Ukraine should surrender now and preserve life. Putin maybe miscalculated the sanctions or maybe he did not. He needs an exit that the west won't give to him since the Ukrainians are now cannon-fodder that serve the west only as a stumbling block for Russian military, and neither they nor their cities can survive this onslaught. Once the fighting stops, i would expect a stealth removal of sanctions that are squeezing the West since politicians are flip-floppers and the global economy is so near collapse. The press will slither out of their current narrative and memory-hole the entire affair as they go on to new topics.

  • i hope peace comes soon.

  • The "evil" russians giving food and humanitarian aid to the civilians of Melitopol...

    1557 x 877 - 2M
  • @hardimpact So many people that I know hope for everything turns back simply won't happenn

    @Dark_Blue there is still some sanity to this world.

  • EU and US virtual pinky fighters for peace:


    486 x 594 - 71K
  • The Washington Post reports that the US and allies are preparing a Ukrainian government-in-exile led by Zelensky, as they are counting on a protracted "bloody" guerrilla war with Russia.

    As usual, peace is very bad for US.

  • Sanctions against us are like declaring war on Russia.

    V. Putin

  • image

    800 x 555 - 96K
  • @Vitaliy

    Sorry so many of my fellow Amnerikans take knee jerk reaction from their corporate overlords. Media here has War Fever, and it's bipartisan.

    I asked my teenage daughter if Russia overturned an election using Nazis in Mexico and installed a hostile government, would the US like that? No, she said. And if that government threatened to set up nukes pointed at us, would we invade? She paused, then yes.

  • image

    800 x 552 - 99K
  • There are decades where nothing happens, and there are weeks where decades happen.

    V. Lenin

  • In a week, NATO countries delivered 17,000 anti-tank weapons to Ukraine, including Javelin anti-tank systems. Weapons are delivered by land from the territory of Poland and Romania.

    In addition, US Cyber Command troops are stationed at bases in Eastern Europe and Cyprus to counter Russia in this area.

    Capitalism means war. And NATO wants lot of blood.

  • The London Bullion Market Association (LBMA) has suspended the operation of Russian refineries. This de facto means a ban on the import of gold bars of Russian origin.

    Gold price is now tightly controlled. Same as all crypto scam.

  • image

    800 x 561 - 97K