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  • LOL. I should have written "Is Vegas 15 now fully supportive of the GPU in the PC?".

    Alas, before I was rather dismayed to find out that the Vegas software did not use the GPU at all - at least for rendering. Despite some references to it on the Sony Vegas website back in the days (4-5 years ago). Missing CUDA drivers/support or whatever. But they still have the "use cuda/open CL" in the render menu despite it apparently doing nothing.

    Alas, I forked out like 200 euro for the 13+14 package last year. And now they are a making a fuzz about the GPU and QSV engines (or whatever it's called). So I guess I'm after a confirmation that Vegas 15 indeed gives a significant performance upgrade on the same hardware versus CPU only.

    (I have an i7-4770K intel and Nvidia GeForce GTX680 btw.)

    I can't say I am very happy about the upgrade price either. It's 200 euro for Vegas Pro, the same as I shelled out for Vegas 14 last year. Its basically buying it again. It should have been more like 50 bucks for an upgrade in my view.

  • Is this a guessing game ? Which GPU is in your PC?

  • Is Vegas 15 now fully supportive of the GPU in my PC?

  • New update - Build 261

    Available now at: http://rdir.magix.net/?page=5JK87Y8VP51T

    Features

    • The Picture-In-Picture OFX plug-in now takes advantage of GPU acceleration
    • The Crop OFX plug-in now takes advantage of GPU acceleration
    • It is now possible to enter a custom frame rate for the MAGIX AVC/AAC render format
    • More noticeable default highlight color for buttons in the active state
    • User definable custom highlight color for buttons in the active state

    Bug Fixes

    • HEVC files produced by iPhone7 and iPhone8 are now properly supported and no longer show black frames
    • 5K and 6K HEVC files from the Panasonic GH5 are now correctly scaled down to 4K so that they appear and can be edited (although potentially with limited preview performance) on the VEGAS Pro timeline
    • The Picture-In-Picture and Crop OFX plug-in interact controls alignment has been optimized so that it more exactly matches the video frame under normal circumstances
    • Fixed a crash caused by a specific XAVC-S 4K file with QSV decoding disabled
    • Custom frame rates are now properly rendered with the MAGIX AVC/AAC MP4 plug-in
    • Multiply (Mask) compositing mode now works correctly with GPU on
    • Footage from the Mavic Pro drone is now properly supported
    • Audio from footage shot on the Xiaomi Yi 4k is now properly supported
    • The Quick Blur FX now works properly when GPU acceleration is turned off
    • Render As properly honors Constant bit rate mode or custom values when rendering to HEVC or using Intel QSV templates
    • VEGAS now displays iPhone movies with the proper orientation
    • Interlaced files from the Nikon D5200 are now correctly recognized and supported
    • Rotation information embedded in HEVC files is now displayed correctly
    • Repaired drawing problems in Win 7 that affected the usability of buttons/controls in the Batch Render script
    • The Color Match (and other) plug-ins no longer create unwanted color shifts during fades in 8-bit pixel format projects with the "GPU acceleration of video processing" preference enabled
    • Files rendered using QSV presets in the MAGIX AVC/AAC codec are now properly recognized in Adobe products
    • Buttons created via scripting no longer disappear or change in various scenarios
    • Pixel aspect ratio field values are now properly visible after being changed
    • The media frame rate for iPhone 7 files is now correctly reported
    • Keying numeric values into an OFX numeric field under certain circumstances no longer crashes
    • Audio effects applied to certain media no longer continue to affect the audio after they have been disabled or removed
    • Audio recorded through Xsplit Broadcaster is now properly supported
  • VEGAS Pro 15 Update 1 (build 216)

    Features

    • It is now possible to "heal" or "join" two events that hold the same media back into a single event
    • From the Render As dialog box, you can now swap all of your project media video files for video files with the same names (but potentially different file extensions) enabling you (for example) to work with proxy files on your timeline and switch to the full-resolution files to render. After the render completes, the files are swapped back.
    • A new option in the Project Media window enables you to swap all of your project media video files for video files with the same names (but potentially different file extensions) at any time
    • The Picture-in-Picture and Crop plug-ins now show different mouse icons depending upon which handle you point to in the Video Preview interacts
    • Added a button to events that enables the user to hide/show the new event headers
    • You can now set a preference to reverse the color of selected events so that it matches the behavior in version 14 and earlier where none selected events are white and selected events are colored
    • 4K, 10-bit 4:2:2 AVC files from the Panasonic GH5 camera are now supported

    Bug Fixes

    • Interlaced presets now function properly in the QSV encode option for files rendered with the MAGIX AVC/AAC plug-in
    • Picture-in-Picture help button now opens the proper help
    • VEGAS now automatically switches to the correct version of ACES based on the project settings when opening an existing project
    • ProRes audio and video now sync properly when added to the timeline
    • Optimized the code used for reading AVC, HEVC, and other file types so that it utilizes less system memory
    • Optimized the reading of MP4 files in the Explorer window
    • The Picture-in-Picture and Crop plug-in interacts now behave correctly at Good Full and Best Full
    • Saved projects now properly retain media markers and regions for MP4 files even if the project is closed and reopened
    • The fade-in offset in the event header is now properly available for crossfades
    • The Red Eye Reduction process now works properly
    • Fixed several broken interactive tutorials
    • Fixed a crash that could occur when entering into Expanded Edit mode
    • Picture-in-Picture and Crop plug-ins now correctly handles all pixel aspect ratios
    • The event indicators now properly show up on a collapsed group track
    • Audio bus tracks now use the correct icon
    • Rendering HEVC CBR now properly produces CBR output
    • HSL Adjust plug-in no longer causes color banding in 8bit GPU or 32bit CPU projects
    • Media markers are now much easier to see in non-selected events
    • NV Encoder render no longer fails with template rename/new template selection
    • Various display issues have been fixed in Windows 7 running in High DPI setups
    • Certain MAGIX AVC/AAC MP4 templates no longer crash upon selective prerender
    • Long HEVC files no longer cause a playback crash
    • Empty entries no longer appear in the main toolbar customize dialog
    • The hit area of timeline markers has been tightened up so that it is once again possible to drag above the markers to create a time selection
    • Can again properly read the text when you hover over files in the Explorer window
    • The ToolTip has been fixed for the Output Buss on audio track headers
    • Added the inadvertently omitted MainConcept AAC encoder back in as a render format
    • The Shift+Ctrl+C shortcut key once again properly hides just the event buttons without affecting active take information visibility
    • Reverted the default pan type back to Add Channels instead of Constant Power so that users no longer experience a 3dB volume attenuation in tracks panned to center
    • Fixed an occasional crash when building thumbnails in the Explorer window
    • Combining footage of some formats along with Panasonic P2 footage no longer causes the P2 footage to appear as green frames
    • Fixed a problem where opening the Render As dialog when the save folder is set to a network location could result in an error
    • The Titles and Text cursor is now more visible when using the dark background scheme
    • The offline media info text is now more readable
    • The Freeze Frame at Cursor operation now works properly when the cursor is at the first frame of the event
    • Fixed a bug that could prevent users from successfully creating blu-ray image files
    • Fixed a problem that could cause some MP4/AVC files to be displayed in the file explorer and properties windows with the wrong file type
    • ProRes 29.97 render templates no longer incorrectly shift the audio by 0.006 seconds
    • Audio is now more properly synchronized with the video when rendering to ProRes and HEVC formats
    • Fixed a crash when reading specific MP4 AVC/AAC files with so4 HW decoding enabled
    • Video preview for MP4 files now works properly with so4 HW decoder enabled
  • Note what Vegas 15 does not support NVDEC for now, but it is in plans.

    If you have NVidia card and AMD CPU most load will fall on CPU during editing.

    Vegas still much prefer Intel desktop CPUs with QSV (not HEDT!).

  • @tonalt

    :-) Resolve is most common destination for people leaving Vegas.

    One thing I do not like in Resolve is what they want to put as much as it holds in it, while having small team.

  • Resolve full version's $300 price tag isn't problem to me. It's huge advantage if I can do everything inside one software, as I have now used Resolve anyway in the last step to grade the shots.

  • @tonalt

    Issue with Resolve for now is specially crippled H.264 operation in free version, lack of NVENC support that Vegas has now.

    As I understand they have plans to cripple free version more with each release.

  • I think the new features sounds good. But Resolve's new NLE and DAW features makes me want to switch to it.

  • If only they made it $49 for all existing customers of 14 and 13.

  • And note - no bug report from Magix, no new build fixing this, no web site warning - nothing. Someone in the Vegas Pro Community Forum posted the fix. But you had to look for it, and then dig deep into the innards of the program to disable the new encoder.

    You want too much, they released software very short time ago. And working on update.

    Where else you have product development head and developers talking on product forum with people and reading all angry reports? They'll improve.

  • Incredible bug in Vegas Pro 15

    One of the few new features in Vegas Pro 15 is the ability to decode those GH5 422 avc clips. Well, it turns out that this feature results in the disabling of the ability to play audio in many if not all avc clips! H264 clips that play fine in Vegas Pro 14 play on the timeline with no audio at all in 15.

    I spent many hours trying to figure out what was going on. I coincidentally switched to 15 from 14 just after I started using a new camera. So, naturally I though there was something odd about the camera clips. That is until I imported them in 14 and they worked fine.

    What's the fix? Disabling the brand new avc decoder that was installed as the default, which plays the GH5 files! This may also disable hardware rendering. So, essentially one of the key new features in 15 cripples normal use.

    And note - no bug report from Magix, no new build fixing this, no web site warning - nothing. Someone in the Vegas Pro Community Forum posted the fix. But you had to look for it, and then dig deep into the innards of the program to disable the new encoder.

  • @Tron

    Well, you can always find some other approach :-)

  • I'm moving completely over to Davinci and not looking back. End of the road after 10 yrs of use. The upgrade pricing just isn't worth it, IMO.

  • Better list of new features

    • A new MAGIX AVC/AAC codec significantly accelerates encoding on machines that utilize Intel® Quick Sync Video (QSV) technology
    • A new MAGIX AVC/AAC codec significantly accelerates encoding on machines equipped with modern NVIDIA graphics card GPU technology
    • The user can now select from the list of attributes of a copied timeline clip event to specify which attributes will be pasted into a target event
    • ACES 1.0 support enable users to work with the expanded color spaces and dynamic range of modern cameras.
    • More efficient handling of AVC files on the timeline through Intel QSV technology
    • Picture-in-picture OFX plug-in enables the user to perform size and position adjustments of video at any of the four effects levels (including track and event) through parameter adjustment controls and direct interaction with the Video Preview window
    • Crop OFX plug-in enables the user to quickly crop out portions of a video at any of the four effects levels (including track and event) through parameter adjustment controls and direct interaction with the Video Preview window
    • The user can specify which track header buttons and controls appear on tracks and set these (separate for audio and video tracks) as project defaults for all new tracks in the current and new projects. Controls that have been hidden can be accessed through a new "hamburger button" menu
    • LUT Filter OFX plug-in enables the user to apply LUTs to their project at any of the four supported FX levels (event, track, media, and video bus)
    • Redesigned timeline clip events now contain headers to hold important information and buttons and can be customized through the hamburger button/menu system.
    • The user can specify which controls appear in the transport area of both the Trimmer Window and the Video Preview window as project defaults for the current and new projects. Controls that have been hidden can be accessed through a new "hamburger button" menu
    • A simple "one-click" option creates a freeze frame on all selected events touched by the timeline cursor
    • Users can specify one of four options for the shading of the VEGAS Pro interface ranging from very bright to a dark interface
    • Users can define the amount (strength) of color they want shown in their buttons
    • Modern controls enable logical docking and undocking of windows and maximizing windows within a dock
    • A user-friendly and intuitive Render As dialog box makes it easy to understand and specify render options
    • The Share Online option now provides direct render-and-upload operations for YouTube, FaceBook, and Vimeo
    • Optimized default user layout to reduce visual clutter
    • Non-selected timeline clip events are now the same color as the corresponding track header while selected events are white. This (while directly opposite previous behavior) reduces visual "clutter" and the harsh appearance of events, particularly in large projects
    • New layout option enables user to switch back to the VEGAS Pro 14 default layout, including revealing all buttons in the hamburger menu system
    • The default Pan type has been changed to Constant Power which is the most logical and expected type
    • Audio notification alerts you when your render is complete for all format types
    • Panasonic GH5 10-bit 422 footage now opens correctly
    • The video stream of JVC YUV 4:2:2 footage now decodes correctly
    • iPhone/iPad footage now opens correctly (without requiring Quicktime)
  • @rheinpirat

    Upgrade is expensive. Interface changes are minimal, clearly not major. Looks more like 14.1.

  • @Glenn7 why? Can you explain it? Some details please.

  • I used to love this editor.

    But v15 is really dissapointing release.

  • VEGAS Pro 15 build 177 has been released

    • Major user interface innovations
    • Hardware acceleration from modern graphics cards and Intel QSV
    • Picture-in-Picture OFX plug-in with real-time controls on the Video Preview
    • Lookup Table (LUT) OFX plug-in
    • Powerful hardware acceleration technologies
    • Instant Freeze Frame
    • Crop OFX plug-in with real-time controls on the Video Preview
    • ACES 1.0 support
    • Selectively paste event attributes
    • User definable visible button sets
    • Redesigned track headers and timeline clip events
    • Instant freeze frame
    • Selectable background shade
    • Logical, modern docking window controls

    http://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/vegas-pro/

    VEGAS Pro has always been an innovator. Version 15 carries on this legacy and delivers a completely customizable interface that provides ultimate flexibility. Filled with new features, both inside and out, VEGAS Pro powers your creativity. Whether you work in HD or 4K, VEGAS Pro stands ready to be your creative partner. Video/Audio production and DVD/Blu-ray disc authoring all in one powerful package.

    A better way to edit, author, and deliver
    VEGAS Pro provides all the tools you need to edit your video fast. Encode for 4K delivery or publish to your favorite streaming outlet. Or, author and deliver your production in HD with Dolby Digital sound on a Blu-ray disc. Whatever your final destination, VEGAS Pro takes you there faster than ever.

    Work fast. Deliver faster.
    Work more efficiently than ever before with a customizable user interface and precise, fast editing tools. Drag-and drop editing and authoring make quick work of production and delivery. Mix, match and edit popular formats, including HEVC, ProRes, AVC, and more, directly on the timeline without waiting for a re-wrap or transcode. Powerful hardware acceleration takes advantage of NVIDIA and Intel QSV technologies to shorten the rendering process. Designed and built specifically to save you time and enhance your creativity.

    Work like never before with creative interaction
    New Picture-in-Picture and Crop OFX plug-ins open up endless creative possibilities. Position, re-size, and animate picture-in-picture effects using controls directly on the Preview window and get instant feedback as you make adjustments. Use the same in-Preview controls to crop video or stills for creative effects.

    Enhance your project with NewBlueFX Filters 5 Ultimate ($299 value)
    Filters 5 Ultimate from NewBlueFX gives you the power to fix or enhance your color scheme, apply creative lighting effects, change the color of a particular object in your video, add a warm glow or diffusion, and more. This collection of eight color-correction video filters and effects gives you incredible power to enhance your footage way beyond the ordinary.

    DVD or High Definition Blu-ray Disc authoring With its drag-and-drop workflow, DVD Architect, included with VEGAS Pro, makes it easy to author a professional-quality DVD or Blu-ray disc. Drag your media onto the workspace to automatically create custom navigation for feature videos, director’s notes, sound track music and more. Create custom keyframe-compatible graphic animation and overlays by importing multi-layer Photoshop files. A simple settings re-set enables you to burn an SD DVD and then switch and burn a HD Blu-ray disc.

  • Some more things

    • Modern, efficient user interface
    • Preview window:
      • Picture-in-picture OFX plug-in with real-time controls on the Video
      • Crop OFX plug-in with real-time controls on the Video Preview window
    • Powerful hardware acceleration through Intel QSV and graphics card GPU
    • Lookup table (LUT) OFX plug-in
    • Powerful generators, effects, and titling
    • Modern color science
    • ACES 1.0 support
    • Selectively paste event attributes
    • Instant freeze frame video creation
    • Requires an OpenCL-enabled GPU such as HD Graphics 4000.
      • Intel Skylake or newer processor required for QSV accelerated 8-bit HEVC/AVC decoding and encoding, Intel KabyLake or newer processor required for QSV accelerated 10-bit HEVC encoding and decoding
  • As most of you know, VEGAS Pro has always relied on your computer hardware for everything it does. In fact, VEGAS Pro was the first NLE to allow you to run on virtually any modern PC. You didn’t need any special hardware to edit your projects, and you still don’t. But VEGAS Pro 15 also taps into additional hardware that you may already have in your system. For example, more and more machines support Intel® Quick Sync Video (QSV), and VEGAS Pro 15 leverages that technology to significantly accelerate both reading and writing certain file types. With that and other hardware (as well as software) optimizations, you’ll see more robust timeline performance and faster render times for certain formats.

    https://vegas-magazine.com/vegas-pro-15-release/