Driftwood Quantum X Settings, Series 1: v3b Rocket - v4b Orion - v5 β Pictoris

atticusd

@driftwood I'm really really loving the softer approach in Orion's matrix. Excesive sharpness is something else I might not have to worry about from now on. Thanks a lot Nick!

rockroadpix

@Driftwood - Awesome job again!!! You and Vitaliy have made this camera so much more robust. I am totally pleased with results that I am getting. Here's a little test that I shot yesterday with V5c Pictoris (Orion M). All shot on 24H.

britco

i'm using a transend 32gb class 10 with orion all modes no problems...it's stunning stuff by the way many thanks to all concerned

mozes

Well, i just merged ..
Driftwood GOP1 AQ2 'AQUAMOTION' Experimental patch, with v3bRocket RC.
i even have formated the card to ntsc instead off pal (for the first time).
First real live test looks good, just the way i like it...

Only 1080i and HBR give
"Motion recording was cancelled due to the limitation of the writing speed of the card"
@Driftwood, any idea what the "correct" setting it must be set to?
Gop = 1 ad the moment
Edit i have changed GOP1 to the same as 720/60 witch is 15 to 6 and now its on 3
And it works fine, i will play with it some more.....

Clip shot in standard profile, all set to 0.
1so 160, shutter 1/50, WB manual set ad some grey painted door.
In sony vegas the colors almost match the srgb 16-236 standard.

Just did make a mistake with rendering.
i have rendered the 720/60 to 1080/60p with CBR: 90,3 Mbps dnxhd codec...
And still it looks good

~~Uploaded clip is rendered in a sony mp4 codec with 15mb/s~~
damn that sony mp4 didn't look good, so the used codec does make a BIG differences, more then i did expect!!!
~~So, it is in dnxhd 75mb/s 29.7fps .mov file~~ The file gets bigger then the 1080p rendering, and look bad!!
How is that posible?
Soooooooo I will upload the wrong rendered file ..... ~~and post it later~~

View on ExposureRoom

If you register on exposureroom you can download the converted 445.15MB file, the original uploaded one was 456mb! and in 1080 60p

herbycamer

Hi. Coming back about card speed error problem: Agree with POP24, not the only expensive 64Go - 95MB/s cards is working well.

I have a Sandisk 32Go HD Video Extreme (30MB/s) and a Sandisk 32 Go Extreme Pro (45MB/s), i'm running Orion CBR (100M) in PAL mode HBR25p or sometimes 1080i, and it's working well on both card. (execpt sometimes Ex-Télé) OK, it's not always spanning, but if i need spanning for particular application, there is some other setting lighter (or other cards more expensive)... the only way...

Chart tests are not THE absolute truth. Test in real world too and if you're making film, USE YOUR EYES.

Thanks

driftwood

'Some more work to do @driftwood :)'

@sohus No. YOU do the work for your particular setup. Lets start at 60fps. You can test first by lowering 'β Pictoris' Frame Limits to 1400000, then divide that by 8 to get FB2 (which would equal 175000). Repeat the process (taking 100000 off at a time from the Frame Limit on 60fps and dividing by 8 and entering into 60fps FB2 the result) till it passes your particular test. Repeat the same factor for other REC modes. Take note, and let me know. Im working on other things at the moment. Thanks. Guess you got some work to be getting on with. :-)

driftwood

Basically, as you have found in your Timelapser, youre never going to please yourself/everybody all the time. I'm not gonna keep responding to people with slow cards for example, pointless. Driftwood settings are going to test even the best cards to the extreme. If they want their type 6 cards to work, then use stock settings or Long GOP.

@ALL What I would like to know is what is worth pursuing on 720p? GOP12/15 as seen in Orion and Rocket. GOP6/9 as seen in β Pictoris. Or GOP3/6 - as seen in earlier patches?

Before you ask, GOP1 partially works for 720p50 but NOT for NTSC 720p60. Maybe in the future when more is known but for now INTRA 60fps is a no-no. GOP3 on 60fps is difficult enough.

So tell me if you prefer one or the other - do some REAL tests.

Also I need more matrix reports concerning the hybrid on β Pictoris or my adapted AVC Intra version as found on Orion. Which is best?/is Panny's GH2 matrix better?/provide examples where you can.

duartix

:) Still learning the basics... Thanks for the help.

driftwood

@duartix You really must get your Timelapser working. pm me if you need help. The thing about Intra it takes its prediction from 'within' itself ie its own slice - it doesnt need to sample from other ref frames - like P frames - made up of references from other i frames like Long GOP. And although Long GOP is excellent for using less memory... for me, I just believe in the original! Thats my own personal view and I dont give diddly squat what others say.

duartix

Cheers @driftwood !

I'm not lobbying for constant QP, I know highlights and shadows are perceived differently and thus can take on different beating. Although I haven't tested other settings, yes, you're right about the other issues (at longer GOP it's easier to get constant QP). But the major issue I was raising was about uneven frame IQ. Even though I understand why the QP might not be equal across all the frame content, I can't defend the quality being A+ on the top of the frame and being B on the lower end on something that was not even close to a death chart. That was the "meat" of my report.

slt

Been lurking here for a bit, but thought I give my 2c worth: great work Nick (and of course Vitaliy)! Hacked my GH2 with 'Orion', and using both 45Mbs (32G) and 95Mbs (64G) Sandisks and am not having any dramas on either 24H nor FSH. Have recorded as long as 20 mins. No dramas on the death charts either. A slight "stutter" is noticeable on fast pans, but I guess that's not unexpected. Again, great work Nick, and thank you!

pop24

SanDisk Extreme 45mb/s works also very fine with the pictoris/orion patch. this card is not so expensive like the 95mb/s card

edgenumbers

@troyjason, I don't want it to sound like I don't want everyone to enjoy these but I agree with you. I am really enjoying the CBR versions on Quantum (Pictoris & Orion). No problems on a Sandisk 95 card. I think it's a small price to pay for the picture quality.

driftwood

Ok, to all those with freezes, etc... we'll lower frame limits and buffers even more. @duartix do the same test on ANY testers setting for the GH2 and tell me the Q youre going to get on death charts. Its the SAME. Its the GH2! You can go massively long gop and then youre in other troubled waters. For CBR style you can also use IQ/Q=0. If you want the whole picture macroblocks to be coded with exactly the same Q then raise your IQ/Q to the high 20s. I'm against the same Q for whole picture theory... that means highlights and shadows get the same Q... not good in my book. Death charts can fail even on stock settings - we've noted this. If the GH2 had more memory, bigger buffers, faster cpu it'd be a different ballgame. For most real world filming situations - filming people, closeups, general docu makes these settings work very well. Other than that, buy a RED. Most importantly, get out and film REAL things now.

troyjason

Don't cheap out on memory cards and expect Orion to work guys. Driftwood has other patches for you if you don't have a Sandisk 95mbps card. Reread the first post of this thread - he explains why you will get errors if you don't own the Sandisk 95 card. Happy hacking!

Meierhans

@uzland Some 32 Gb Class 10 or Sandisk 32 Gb Class 10? It does make a difference.

tatoz12

Hi. First, thanks for everything, and sorry for my english... In my Gh2, with a SanDisk 32gb 95MB/s, when I shooting in Pal with FSH and FH parameters, The Driftwood Quantum X v5c 'ß Pictoris' CBR freezes after 2 or 3 minutes... several times. In HBR mode is ok... Otherwise, in the VBR version everything is ok! works fine in FSH, FH and HBR. thanks!

uzland

Thanks, I got that figured out. But I am still getting "Motion recording was cancelled due to the limitation of the writing speed of the card" message with the 32 Gb Class 10 card. And the VGA mode is giving me only 2 minutes. How is it possible?

lunalobo75

@uzland with the ini files in the same folder as your Ptools (make sure you have the latest Ptools), GH2_V11 firmware; load the GH_V11 firmware first; once you do that, you'll see 9 red balls at the bottom of Ptools listed as A-J. If you have the ini files in the same folder (make sure they are names seta, setb and so on) the red balls will turn green: those are the ini files loaded into Ptools. Just highlight them with your mouse pointer and they'll say what settings they are. Click on the ball you want and the settings will be loaded.

You can go into the main interface double-click on "patched for end users, and you'll see that settings are loaded. If you are having trouble, go to this link to learn how to load settings: http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/2364/driftwood-quantum-x-settings/p1

or here:

http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/2317/ptool-v3.64d-topic/p1

uzland

Got it! Thanks:))) Sorry about multiple post, please delete them, if you wish. I couldn't delete them myself.

uzland

lunalobo75, help me again please. I have these .ini files in the same folder as Ptools and the firmware. How does it pop at the bottom of the Ptools? Do I open the Ptools first and load the file or some other way. I've tried a few ways, it is not working. Thanks a lot.

uzland

This happened on AVCHD 720p, SH. I tested it on 24p movie mode, it is working fine.

lunalobo75

@uzland Hey, why are you entering settings manually? If you have the setting files (the ones you downloaded, and they'll be listed as seta, setb and so on) in the same folder as your Ptools and GH2_V11 firmware, those settings will automatically pop up at the bottom of the Ptools (A-J). You just click on the settings you want and they load for you; no need to manually enter them.

uzland

By the way, I did not enter any of these settings so when I hacked the camera and tried to record, on the very first second, I got "Motion recording was cancelled due to the limitation of the writing speed of the card" message, although I have 32 Gb Class 10 card. And the message froze, I can't even turn off the camera. It is still on and the message won't go away. What is the problem?

uzland

I am entering the settings for Quantum X v5b Pictoris CBR, but I am stuck when I get to this line "1080p24 Scaling I=0x606, 0xA08, 0xA08, ..." and so on up to "720p50 Opt2 GOP Table=1, 1, 4, 0, 0, 0" Where do I enter these? I can't find it anywhere in the PTool.

Thanks.

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