The Washington Post reports that the US and allies are preparing a Ukrainian government-in-exile led by Zelensky, as they are counting on a protracted "bloody" guerrilla war with Russia.

As usual, peace is very bad for US.

@hardimpact So many people that I know hope for everything turns back 2019...it simply won't happenn

@Dark_Blue there is still some sanity to this world.

i hope peace comes soon.

@G3550D liked and subscribed. Don't take it to serious from my part ...life is miserable enough.

@G3550D

Don't rush. Just be gentle and careful. War is war, after all.

With communities most people do same error as in marriage - they take it for granted, instead of nourishing it, supporting partners during hard times and keep the constant contact during good times.

This illusion of endless choice is just bad illusion, as it is made by ruling class that is just cloning various shit and selling you different kind of it as real alternatives.

Hi Vitaly, Garroulous. After some thougbt I've decided to leave the forum. The new Russian Law leaves the possibility open that Vitaly could end up in jail if something I say is regarded as fake news and that is not a risk I want to take. I do try to tell the truth but I can get things wrong.

I too am from the working class (though I am better off now) and always see politics in terms of their/our interests so it's a great pity that, in political terms, I can't agree with much of what you write.

But Garroulous, I really am not an agent. (edit -I think you have accepted this) My real name is Stan Willis and I have a very average channel on youtube. In the unlikely event that you want to check out my saxophone playing, go back to the very first video 'Round Midnite'.

Anyway, maybe some happier time in the future, if I am still around, I will look in again. Thanks to Vitaly for all his hard work over the years. Goodbye for now.

Just to add, Ukraine post maidan is a coup state and nazism hub, with huge paramilitary nazist movement, thats been activelly spreading nazism and training nazist militants from arround the globe, fomenting nazist grip into third world countries. It's not this because putin said so, they themselves have been prolific using social media to boast about it for years long now.

All that sweet talking here about russia should be noble looks a lot more like fear of the water thats already rised up to everyone asses. EU and USA upper and middle class are really not worried of Ukraine people well being, or russian people standards of life, the same way they dont care about third world and dont give a fuck about nazists spreading into third world with Ukraine hand.

The optimistic picture of the future that Vitaly presents is of a successful fit between Russia the producer of the raw materials and China the manufacturer. Normally this is the third world/developed world model. Unfortunately for you,if you have ever spoken to anyone that has travelled around Africa (and elsewhere I've heard), China is all over the place doing public works and securing future supplies of materials (particularly rare ones). Russia will have tied itself to China but I sense that China is already having concerns about the tail wagging the dog. Russia will be a price taker not a price setter. China will be your master.

Russia could produce fine software engineers and try to compete with India but Vitaly's plan for mass pirating is going to limit their chances of selling to the huge market outside Russia and China. There are downsides to all illegal actions.

If Putin remains in power, he may well be wanted for war crimes and crimes against humanity so Russia may become a pariah state with its citizens fighting over a diminishing cake. The poor cannot take much of a cut so the professional classes will have to take a large one. Start building the walls you are going to need.

You will also be pouring resources into trying to control and rebuild a very large country which hates you and the cost of that will be colossal.

Your separation from the cultural, scientific and sporting will take further joy from your lives. You will be building your own gigantic jail.

That is the nightmare alternative to Vitaly's optimistic scenario. I really hope it doesn't come to that.

Just stop the war now and remove the man responsible for it. European citizens do not yet see the Russian people as the enemy and perhaps we now can see and address the many problems you have. And, before you say it Vitaly, I know we are not perfect and we have a lot of problems of our own to sort out but war is not the answer.

@AndrewReid_EOSHD

Andrew - also keep in mind that from tomorrow any info that can be deemed fake information about war or anti war propaganda can have real and fast consequence to me and site. We are small, so no one cares much, but we better be safe, ok? I am not responsible for laws that capitalists make, so just live with that they do.

So, keep yourself within bounds, as I don't want to censor anything, but will be forced to save PV.

Soon all Western exports to Russia and all shipping companies will completely stop. It will be really bad.

Nope. It won't happen, as it is capitalist on both side. And all western exports are not much important except manufacturing equipment and chemical and components stuff. Software we'll pirate anyway.

As citizens we should not wish each other ill-will, just because of history or nationalism. The original idea of socialism is not to punish normal people

What this strange words mean?

If Putin was a real patriot and interested in a stronger Russia, rather than being an egotistical lunatic, it's not obvious what his war is going to achieve for Russia other than isolation and complete economic collapse.

Andrew, can we stop mentioning Puting and his lunatism in each post, please?

Isn't it strange that 90% of people supported move of this guy? Same is true for largest part of ruling class.

Isn't not obvious what his war is going to achieve for Russia other than isolation and complete economic collapse

Stop wishful thinking.

As our major imports are from countries that... surprise did not made any sanctions.

It isn't even an honourable suicide. Nobody honourable kills themselves at the same time as cluster bombing women and children in their homes, and attacking nuclear power stations.

Stop writing nonsense. Capitalist wars are horrible, this one also, but it is not suicide.

Nuclear power station had been attacked by Ukraine idiots who such way tried to stop advancements.

Russia, the sum of its people and its talent is far above that. Let them recognise this, wish them the ability to rise up and find new leadership, new ideas and take back control of their nation.

Did you actually read even one line of that I wrote here for years?

West and western companies destroyed almost all manufacturing, science and other stuff here. Just because it is much more profitable such way, no competition and you have open free market. Intentionally. And they loved us to live like in Bangladesh, if possible.

So, country is rising up now. Issue is that it is under capitalism, so live with the methods your beloved social system, has.

@G3550D I see what you're saying and my proposal is entirely from an amateurish perspective and politically unrealistic - but at times of crisis no option should be off the table, even extreme ones like this. It's not so much about disbanding NATO but removing the US influence from NATO and working with Russia diplomatically. Putting more EU-27 funding into defence budgets here rather than relying on the US. But before I begin to sound like Trump, there is more to it than just that. It has to be combined with agreeing some common ground with Russia to keep the US military out of Europe. On top of that, there will be a unified EU armed forces, a larger combined military power from our side. Unless Putin's end-goal is to demilitarise the entirety of Europe and make us all like Finland but in poverty, he should accept proposals to reduce US influence and military presence in Europe with open arms, in return for ending his war with Ukraine. We are not the Russian people's enemy in the EU. It is no good relying on a huge Russian foe to guarantee our safety on the border with Russia! All they do is guarantee our mutual destruction. And what is the point of NATO anyway if they are so powerless, they can't even give Ukraine a no fly zone without triggering WW3? The moment Putin goes into a NATO country, the US and Russia will obliterate Europe. The US will walk away as winners and have a post-WW2 style economic surge. The Russians will walk away with millions of deaths on their hands like the Nazis. Nobody wants it. NATO is a deeply flawed concept.

Specially for Andrew:

The film crew of the American ABC News visited the Moscow region, the journalist discussed the current situation in the world with local residents and was surprised.

They are convinced that Russia is now waging something like the Great Patriotic War in Ukraine. This is the first. And the second thing... and they made it very clear to me... they don't really mind the consequences. And more than that, welcome them.

I asked if they weren't worried that Russia would be cut off from everything and that those times would return when their country had no connection with the outside world... But no, that doesn't bother them. Against. They are even happy about it.

Thoughts on possible solution to end the war:

https://www.eoshd.com/news/thoughts-on-the-ukraine-here-is-how-europe-can-step-back-from-world-war-iii/

Europe may need to disband NATO.