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Black Magic: Official $1,995 raw cinema camera topic, series 2
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  • @Oedipax , the order desk took my order so fast I can't imagine they were running any balance check. That said we have a long history with B&H and perhaps they had my page open on their screen as soon as I called. Just contact them. You'll never know unless you try it.

  • would the DNxHD have about the same quality as Pro Res ?

  • @010101 - I'll be shooting almost exclusively Pro Res, so my two major clients (other prod companies) are more than happy not to deal with transcode time. I'll tinker with the RAW (Maybe), but my MBPro can't handle Resolve as it is...

  • @Oedipax - they verified my credit card. Wife called saying WTF???

    I figure I have 3.5 months to "soften" her up... :)

    I'll buy axs along the way to December so that my kit is ready to go- Wooden cam cage, switronix batt & a couple of SSDs

  • Unfortunately, international orders are charged upon placing the order. No money for that goodie right now.

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  • So, my plan is now to buy BMCC EF now, as it's so cheap and flexible, it should pay off quickly anyway. And we have plenty of quality FD and FL glass.

    I just don't want to wait for Panasonic to "bless us with" shipping any new products last to USA dealers again, 6-9 months after they "ship" it to the rest of the world...

  • @rockroadpix @010101, do you know if B&H still has to verify a sufficient balance in your account before taking the preorder? Because I can certainly afford it in December 2012, but not on this particular day - would still like to get my order in the queue!

  • You can't transfer data over Thunderbolt. It's currently for Ultrascope only.

  • Does anyone know if it's possible to use Apple's Thunderbolt-to-Firewire adapter with this camera (for data transfer only, I wouldn't expect it to work with UltraScope)? I ask because I have an older Mac, no TB just FW 800.

  • @rockroadpix I did the same. What a pleasant surprise. I spent most of my morning opening room on my credit cards to order to BMDCC -MFT bodies. Nop - they just got the number and I was good to go. On the case of the shooting gear we are experiencing a completely different treatment. It appears that corporate production is getting stiff arrrss about brands. We get major grilling especially on the acquisition gear and then the format. It is going to be another uphill battle to introduce BMDCC to client. Early days of 5DII we were so self conscious showing up on the job with a the camera that looked like every one's uncle's camera to shoot a paying job.

  • So to use my Olly 45mm, or my Panny 20 mm, is it possible at all by setting the focus/aperture on GH2 and then remounting the lens or is it just a no go?

  • I just pre-ordered on B&H. I'm not charged until it ships. You don't HAVE to pay up front. You can cancel the order before the ship date. Heck, you can return it to them within (I think) 15-30 days. Being someone that is paid to shoot, the parameters now are, "What camera(s) do you have?" What used to be more prevalent was, "We love your work, you're hired, what camera do you prefer?" I'm not getting locked out of work because I didn't to drop the change on what is less than what DVX100 was when it was all that. The second that someone uses the cam in a professional capacity and they love it, a LOT of clients will want to see what it is capable of doing. I'm going to guess that I'll recoup the body cost within months. That's 15 days of shooting if I'm at the average rate for Winter in the NYC area.

  • I do not normally spend much time worrying about pixel pitch so can somebody help me out with this?

    If we compare a 1920x1080 crop from BMCC to the GH2 in 24H ETC mode, what is the difference in the crop factor relative to full frame? I have gotten used to shooting the moon with a 400mm lens in ETC mode on the GH2 and would like a sense for how much more magnification that will provide vs a similar crop on the BMCC.

  • @itimjim and @JohnBrawley, I never wanted to make the impression that EF mount is stupid. EF mount on this version of BMD was stupid. Who cares how many EF mounts Canon have sold. They are not a good match to this sensor size. Do you know how many high performance tires exist out there made for SUVs !? Would you consider it a good design decision if Ferrari put SUV tires under their latest fast car just because there are a lot of them out there !? It might work but definitely we will have some limitations.

    Any how - this is a wonderful news and there is no point for bickering on the past. I extend my true token of appreciation to John Brawley for all he has done for this community. Perhaps if he was not there, the BMDCC was not this awesome, history maker camera as it is now. Special thanks to Black Magic Design Cinema Camera team for all they have done.

  • @cls105 agreed, I'm no longer going to preorder, and pre-pay on a unit unless it is the exact specs that I want. I'm close, if not at the top of the line where I bought the EOS version of the camera from. I kinda wish I just kept that money in my pocket so I wouldn't be so annoyed about having to wait until December for a MFT mount.

  • @cls105 - after seeing what? :rolleyes:

  • pre-ordering is a bad idea. I didn't pre-order and i don't think I ever will after seeing this. cameras releasing new products without releasing previously released products. its getting ridiculous.
    I'll leave that up to the brainwashed consumers out there.

    edit: nevermind. i actually change my mind about this post. so ignore me.

  • @LPowell BMC wins with just 10-bit ProRes 422 HQ, RAW is an incredible bonus.

  • Looks like BMD concluded that the world of camera lenses boils down to one major choice: Canon vs Everyone Else. It kind of reminds me of the PC revolution in the early 80's when it was IBM vs Everyone Else, with Apple leading the insurgents. Back then, however, PC compatibility issues were the inverse of today's lens mount conumdrum - IBM's was the open standard vs Apple's proprietary OS. Most other ironies hold as well.

    The thing that puzzles me about the MFT standard is this: why haven't they openly documented and promoted the MFT electronic lens control protocols? I'd think this would give Panasonic and Olympus a major boost in third party support for the system. Of course, Canon hasn't done so either, but as was the case with IBM, Canon's huge market share has motivated third parties to reverse-engineer it on their own. What makes this an important issue is that the EF and MFT protocols have emerged as the two major competing standards for electronic lens control. (Nikon's F-mount is the odd man out, because it is a hybrid electro-mechanical system rather than all-electronic.)

    For me personally, I'd also be in the manual-focus camp, so the MFT BMC would suit my purposes just fine. Even if the BMC had electronic lens control, the AF100 would be a better choice for ENG-style use of auto-exposure/focus MFT servo lenses anyway. And for light-weight portible flexibility, nothing can beat the GH2 for its price. What the BMC competes against are the Canon 5DMkIII and Nikon D800. BMC wins because 12-bit RAW video is no doubt the wave of the future.

  • @johnbrawley Maybe I was being a bit flippant by echoing the previous 'stupid' assertion. I fully understand the need for EF, and I think it would have been madness not to release one. I thought it was a missed opportunity not to realise the appetite for a small flange distance mount, as it'll be the pros that fully endorse this product, and they need something that they can adapt PL to. I personally believe, BM's move into mFT will secure the commercial success of this platform.

    I've been a big fan/supporter of BMCC since it's announcement and was ready to put my order in. But, I thought I'd just put myself on hold until IBC, just in case. In fact, it's not paid off waiting, because BM have been so good about switching orders - which is incredible customer service, and why I'm happy to do business with these guys.

  • December 30th? So essentially, January 2013. But, better than next Summer.

  • OH HAPPY DAY!!!!! Man this is an amazing development. Now my collection of Minolta Rokkor X lenses will be able to have a new home on not just a GH3 but also a BMC MFT! This just made my next camera purchase that much harder. I was just thinking how a combo of GH3 and BMC would be a good tool kit, but this really made that even more of a compelling option.

  • Well, B&H has it listed. Count me as being in!

  • @kazuo

    Thanks, I figured as such. They work great on the GH2 without vignetting. I'll just need to measure how far the rear element protrudes from the lens body and make sure that there is enough clearance. It's good news as I have invested some money in this set.