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  • atticusdatticusd

    Hi guys!

    Since no one turned more written material I've carried on with my script. I've been writing at a slow pace because I'm involved in too many projects right now and the thread was awfully quiet. I'm to blame on that part.

    The thing is if we set a date to deliver a first draft (I would need 2 months or so) I would be fully committed to have it ready by then. The only guarantee I need is that the direction units are also committed to start shooting whenever we have a final draft ready (3-4 months from now, maybe earlier?).

    At this time, the direction units should show a proof of their commitment. This has been suggested already and I like the idea: Submit some stills of some possible locations. It doesn't have to be something final; it would be just a proof that we really want to be involved.

    Right now it's just a story written at an irregular pace. It could be finished in some weeks, months, by the end of the year... But set a date and I will have the motherfucker ready in time. I would also be ready to shoot my segment when the time comes. That's my commitment. So, the question would be: Guys, are you still game?

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    I think you need to ask participating guys who is their progress.

  • thepalaliasthepalalias

    Good question. :) Are people still motivated to proceed with this? Where did we leave things off with the script?

  • sebasp1sebasp1

    So what happened with this initiative, is there a possibility to still make this?

  • atticusdatticusd

    Boys and Girls!

    I've sent a pm to those in the inner circle. Juicy stuff inside!

  • atticusdatticusd

    Hi guys!

    So tomorrow marks the date where the writers should hand out the beat sheets, etc. But poor Atticus is behind schedule. There’s been some crazy shit in my life these last weeks and I won’t be able to make it tomorrow. If you’d be so kind as to give me another week to finish this, I will have the complete structure on paper plus the first couple of scenes on March 12 no matter what. If you feel like the project cannot be delayed anymore, no problem, I’ll offer to help the other writers, supervising or whatever they need me to do. So, it’s up to you guys. No offence will be taken, no matter what you choose.

    Thanks for the patience! I’m really sorry!

  • thepalaliasthepalalias

    Got to get back to getting ready to attend the Grammys tomorrow (no cameras allowed inside, but then you'd get it better from the broadcast anyway) but wanted to chime in that my offer to edit the script still stands, regardless of the workflow chosen to get to that point.

    Looking forward to this a lot. :)

  • L1N3ARXL1N3ARX

    You know what would be pretty awesome, is if we somehow collaborated on the 15 minute short film festival youtube is doing right now. I know it's impractical and unlikely we could pull off anything resembling a competent narrative with such short time... but would be fun nonetheless.

  • ImaginateImaginate

    sounds good

  • atticusdatticusd

    Mar 5th and up to 8 pages of wonderfulness sounds great to me!

  • B3GuyB3Guy

    Sure. Let's make it the plan, but throw around some dates. I'd be okay with Mar. 5th.

  • RRRRRRRR

    @B3Guy 25th of February seems too soon (maybe I was unclear above, but IMO I would not mind if the writers had until, like - the 5th of march), but other than that I think the deal is clear.

    Edit: I think it might be important also to point out that any discussion about deadline does not affect that writers can get to work right now. :)

    So we can at least conclude that the deadline will be feb 25th at the earliest.

  • B3GuyB3Guy

    Ok. For the sake of time, here is the official skinny. Anyone putting themselves forward as a potential writer should submit before the 25th of February up to but not exceeding 8 pages of wonderfulness, which should include a beat sheet and some script pages. We need at this point to get into full concrete beats/plot outlines, and we need to see examples of each person's script writing capabilities.

    If the writer feels compelled to include more than just script pages and beat sheets, that is fine. But those two things I think we need to see for sure. 8 pages should be more than enough space for a good writer to capture an idea and give us a taste of their talent.

    I will just ask, is there anyone who ABSOLUTELY can't get with this plan of action? If not, we will move forward. Speak now or forever hold your lunch.

  • atticusdatticusd

    @RRRR I agree. Let's just establish some simple guidelines like maximum length and work on the concept as it is. Then we'll take one treatment and take it from there.

    @paginate That sounds great but unfortunately it's too much democracy for our own good. We gotta keep the process as simple and straightforward as possible or else we'll get stuck in preproduction hell really soon.

  • RRRRRRRR

    I think the layout of how the treatment is made is up to the individual writer - let's just decide on some limits, like 3000 words maximum including script pages and beat sheet.. (equals about 3 semi dense a4) and restrict all imagery to stills (maximum of 10) at this point. This should be enough to provide a clear vision.

    And if the deadline for the writers is moved a week ahead, that should not be a problem.

    (sorry for bumping in, but I think we can keep it simple in terms of presentation guidelines and voting).

  • paginatepaginate

    Seems like there are various personal offers/ proposals (not including my suggestion(s) for others) that are not necessarily the same. Seems difficult to say "this" is the official plan to give thumbs up to.

    Personally, I'm all for atticusd, imaginate and B3Guy to collaborate together, as our "Story by" people, over the weekend, and come up with a beat sheet of 14 - 16 milestones in the story, with one narrative paragraph summarizing (1.) the set-up, (2.) the conflict, (3.) the surprise, (4.) the change and (5.) the complication (for next beat) for each of those beats. If you three can agree on that, then show us for a yay or nay vote from the group proper. (Say a "yay" vote from each concedes that 75% of the 14- to 16 beats, and 60% of what is going on in each of them.)

    A "yay" majority moves you three into a 12- to 15- page short story treatment. For a new vote. With majority "yay" on that, then into rough draft screenplay. If we hit a "nay" majority along the way, then back to revamp that stage. Etc. How's that sound. Explicit and reasonable enough?

    Say... Feb 13th for first round beat sheet to be presented for voting. Vote concluded three-days later, and so forth? (With a one- or two-week window for each stage, or re-stage)?

  • B3GuyB3Guy

    Ok, does my proposed plan sound good to everyone? Let's make something official before the weekend.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Do not worry, I'll soon have more free time, I hope. And will add my own project that'll be about other stuff and will be focused on complitely different things to not compete with really good progress made.

  • sebasp1sebasp1

    I didnt get to vote on the poll but im thumbs up on atticus idea, i like the concept of the supernatural power on the backround and the character conflict being the main force.

    im affraid tought, of two things if i may say so:

    • spectators dont understanding whats going on.
    • looking too much like the movie jumper (please no offense)

    also im concerned with no using the strengh of our global team and locations.

    anyhow seems we can pull this out, please dont let anyone excluded, too much hollywood like production may make it harder for some!

    Cheers.

  • B3GuyB3Guy

    How about Beat Sheets plus a rough draft up to the break into two (or whatever you want to call it . . . the part after the inciting incident when the main character makes a decision)? ROUGH DRAFT, mind you . . . this part of the film should really happen within 8-10 pages, and it is the critical part of the film that either hooks the viewer or does not.

    This way, we can decide based on seeing all the film "hooks". We can pick a story that draws us in from the very beginning.

    I for one would not mind reading 10 pages for each one, especially not script pages. Script pages are not like novels or research papers. There's a lot of white on a script page.

  • atticusdatticusd

    As Imaginate said, 25 pages is just too much. We have less than a month and we haven't yet agreed on what we should do next. Besides it would be more work for the people involved having to read 25xN pages, being N the number of potential writers. In my opinion we should keep it short and simple. A beat sheet or a really short story (2000 words or so) and maybe a couple of scenes should be more than enough to see what kind of writer we'd be talking about and whether people would want the movie written by him or not.

  • ImaginateImaginate

    @paginate 25 pages is too much detail for march 1st, that level of detail is what needs to be done as your working on the first draft. Some writers would skip a detailed treatment like that altogether and just hammer out the first draft or "vomit draft" as some like to call it. Maybe Martin or Phil and chime in on this. If you have a paragraph on 14-15 main beats of the story, you're going to have a pretty focused idea on what the story is and what is going on with the characters.

    I agree with @B3Guy that the beatsheets or treatments should be up before March 1st so we can play with them a bit and get some input before everyone votes.

  • B3GuyB3Guy

    I agree that beat sheets and treatments are both important. Perhaps we could move beat sheets up to the week before March 1, and have treatments due on the 1st as suggested. This will allow for others to chime (unofficially) in a bit early.

  • paginatepaginate

    Personally, I like the idea of a trailer, but think it should be made naturally out of the main project, and not necessarily as a first, alternative project. I recommend that the beat-sheet be one paragraph for each of the 14 to 16 beats (beginning to end) and the treatment be 25 to 40 pages, reading like a short story narrative, if we can agree on presenting that first, before a rough draft screenplay. The treatment can allude to some backstory or technical items (about teams and specialized locations, limitations that a screenplay might not) and give snippets of dialogue as really necessary, imo.

  • paginatepaginate

    I offer myself as a proofreader / collaborator type -- for the writer team to use me as a first-wave second opinion (throughout all the stages of pitch to final draft). I recommend Google Doc for this process, so we can see other's comments and comment on comments, etc. Great initiative, Imaginate, to get you three going on a beat-sheet and treatment before March 1st! I'm not opposed to that and lend my vote to you, Philip and Martin going ahead.

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