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Black Magic: Official $1,995 raw cinema camera topic, series 2
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  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @BurnetRhoades

    We had this video already referenced here and in other topics.

  • BurnetRhoadesBurnetRhoades

    ...getting better NDs makes a difference.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Via: http://www.ryanewalters.com/Blog/blog.php?id=8867038547732459854

  • GravitateMediaGroupGravitateMediaGroup

    @nomad what do you mean electronically stabilized speed? a fan the swivels?

  • GravitateMediaGroupGravitateMediaGroup

    @pinger007 HD2000, I also have the vest but didn't use it on these clips. One thing about it, there is nothing light about gliding the BMCC, and I didn't even dare try it with the switronix battery added. lol

  • pinger007pinger007

    @GravitateMediaGroup

    What glidecam model did you use?

    thanks

  • nomadnomad

    We tested the BMCC for RS in the same way we test all cameras: by shooting a fan with electronically stabilized speed.

    It is in the same league as 5D or GH2, nothing worse or better. The Sony FS-100 is a bit better, the Scarlet is considerably better, about half as much, and the Epic has about one third only.

  • GravitateMediaGroupGravitateMediaGroup

    yes, I know blackmagic is 1 word, brain fart. lol I also tested on a glidecam in the first few shots.

  • GravitateMediaGroupGravitateMediaGroup

    @johnbrawley I'm completely fine with that, it's already better than I expected honestly. Sure it has a few VERY minor issues, but if it was 100% perfect the first time, they wouldn't have much room to improve.

  • johnbrawleyjohnbrawley

    @GravitateMediaGroup I'm not able to say.

    But look at what BMD have been doing in capture cards for the last 10 years. Constantly astonishing the market with higher and higher specs whilst simultaneously doing it for unheard of prices that seem to lower with each new model.

    And they do it quickly.

    So whilst they will keep improving the FW, they also tend to make the bigger feature set changes with new or different models. Rather than the RED model of "obsolescence being obsolete" They make upgrades so cheap that you can't argue.

    So don't buy this camera if you're expecting years of firmware iterations like RED. They tend to just improve the hardware instead.

    jb

  • GravitateMediaGroupGravitateMediaGroup

    @johnbrawley what are a few things we can expect, or hopefully expect in future FW updates, since we have your presence at the moment ; )

    also, being able to record in the "touch to zoom" in RAW would be nice as well, kind of like the gh2 ExTel function, but doing this with 2.5K wouldn't show too much quality loss. I know, I'm being greedy, I'm very happy with what it is for it's cost. I guess in this day and age people are so used to having bells & whistles we've forgot to just set back and be glad we have what we have. iMagine an iPhone iN the 60's lol

  • johnbrawleyjohnbrawley

    @GravitateMediaGroup well compared to S35, the 85mm is a 136mm and a 195mm on a full frame. That's a fair amount of image magnification, coupled with wind and depending on the quality of your tripod and operating...

    I think it will be a while before they will do in camera clip delete. Far more likely is formatting a whole card. There are a few reasons for this, but know that BMD have made a CHOICE to have it this way. Red and Alexa for example, don't allow for individual clip deleting.

    Also, the UI is done by a separate processor I believe and they are limited with the number of pages and detail that they can do there as well. (adding a lot of extra menu options for example).

    jb

  • RRRRRRRR

    Anyway, rolling shutter, especially jello is enhanced when there´s more stability. A small bump or un-smooth touch looks much worse than on hand-held footage which is all over the place. I´ve had close to unusable footage shot with a 28mm lens on the gh2 in windy conditions (Not on the heaviest tripod around) because gusts of wind would create a lot of micro-vibrations.

    F.i. gopro cameras (don´t know about the latest version) have very bad rolling shutter. Because they are normally constantly moving (but are locked down) the results look OK anyway.

  • GravitateMediaGroupGravitateMediaGroup

    also, does anybody know what the highest bit rate of the bmcc shooting raw can be or is it not calculated like that? i'm not sure if this is right, but I think I shot a clip in raw, exported it to an uncompressed format and it was 700+ mb/s ??

    this is my test 2.0, my favorite clips are the flag in the snow, and the tree followed by close up of tree. i'm still quite a ways from using resolve to it's full potential ; ) and yes, there are a lot of clips of a flag, but it's usually something I can rely on that is showing some movement. lol

  • GravitateMediaGroupGravitateMediaGroup

    @johnbrawley I agree, although the rokinon 85mm is rather short built lens for a "long lens" lol

    but all in all, being a windy day, I fully expected to have some shots be a little too far gone. the clip was nothing more than a test to see what 85mm looks like on it.

    is their any news on a "in cam delete clip"

    it would also be nice if BMD could some how add a setting to toggle crop bars much like how ML has done on canon cameras. I can pretty much use my imagination of where they will would be, but seeing live would be nice ; )

  • johnbrawleyjohnbrawley

    You can get camera shake in wind with any tripod with any camera. I've had O Conor 2575's on a beach with a 150-600 and an Alexa and had the shot not be useable. A long lens kind of turns into a sail so it then get's buffeted.

    And you also start to see rolling shutter show up on even the mighty Alexa on that lens length.

    In my experience, the RS on the BMCC is the same league as the 5D/GH cameras. Most others seem to agree...

    jb

    Add here's an uncorrected in-camera frame grab from the Alexa on a wide lens. Look at the window of the van driving past outside.

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  • GravitateMediaGroupGravitateMediaGroup

    it was with a rokinon 85mm, when I get a second I'll post the clip

  • RRRRRRRR

    Having a tripod is one thing. What kind of tripod and how the camera / lens is mounted is another. That does not match my experience, but you might have used the bmcc far more extensively than I have! What lens did you use?

  • GravitateMediaGroupGravitateMediaGroup

    @rrrr how much more bolted down can ya get than a tripod? I mean it was way worse than any rolling shutter type issue I've ever seen from. Gh2. If you take the BMCC and SLIGHTLY sway it left and right it's very bad, so bad that using a glidecam with sudden change of left/right direction would pick it up

  • vicharrisvicharris

    Damn, how windy was it?

  • RRRRRRRR

    @GravitateMediaGroup That happens with the gh2 and any other dslr that isn´t "bolted down", too. (using a long lens) I find it´s not very different in this respect.

  • GravitateMediaGroupGravitateMediaGroup

    @l1n3arx i'm not to thrilled with the rolling shutter, but if you can get past that, it has a slick image obviously. I was shooting a few clips on a tripod in the wind the other day, and it caused waves across the clip. I was kinda pretty shocked by this.

  • L1N3ARXL1N3ARX

    @Vitaliy

    Haha, ah yes, no worries. I'm taking out my miter saw as we speak. I'll have good cross section pictures up for you all very soon.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    however if there's something you're curious about or some kind of shot you wanted to see let me know!

    I have some doubts here that you'll like it, as I had been glad to see internals :-)

  • L1N3ARXL1N3ARX

    @Vitaliy Indeed : )

    I guess most of you have already seen what there is to see from the BMC, however if there's something you're curious about or some kind of shot you wanted to see let me know!

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