Great!! (missing the point) But way to participate, and avoid answering the question.

And keep your money, dude, you're gonna need it to buy your way to greatness.

+1

@svart - probably the deepest thing someone has said in this thread. At least it makes sense.

But I got the popcorn out.

Let the alienation continue.

The trouble with Shian's little experiment is that, movies being what they are -- wholly dependent on vulgarization to succeed as works of anything -- any disparaging opinion about any filmmaker has at least some arguable validity. Somebody who said on a music blog that his dog could write the late Beethoven string quartets wouldn't be worth a second thought -- he's either an idiot or an untalented provocateur and would be banned immediately, as he should be.

But movies? Saying the stupidest or most insulting thing you can think of doesn't necessarily put you in the realm of the moronic, because it could be true. So of course everyone takes it literally.

"I like artichokes. A lot of people don't but I do. I mix mayonnaise and dijon mustard and dip the leaves into that. It's good." I like to dip them in melted butter and then in grated parmesan cheese.

Art is subjective but their is still a lot of art that is real crap.

I like artichokes. A lot of people don't but I do. I mix mayonnaise and dijon mustard and dip the leaves into that. It's good.

This is art. It made me feel hungry.

LOL (sorry vk this thread is flame at its finest)

Art is the perception of feelings and emotions through anything man can make.

When ANYTHING is voluntarily percived like art, it CAN become ARTFORMED. For instance you go to a gallery to see a painting, suddenly it gives you emotions, by seeing its colors, then the form becomes a shape, the shape a meaning, then the whole becomes a feeling, makes you happy, makes you sad. All this was interpreted by you by the way you wanted.

You go down the street listen to badly made music, aproach the sound, see a grate looking person playing awfull music. Makes you wana go, but it atracted your attention, listen a little bit more and disapointed you are, there is no talent there, but you see buch of people also listening. That was also art, it gave you emotion then a feeling. You go to the grand canyon you feel good thee se panorama, you say its art, its not man made, its not art.

The other way arround is DESIGN. Design has an aproach, with very clear goal in specific way. for example a chair, its made to sit, or a bed, its made to sleep. it has function first, SECONDLY becomes the feeling they put on it, maybe you love your bed, for you its art in sleeping form. You persived that way, but its made for sleeping.

MOVIES ARE MADE TO BE SEEN, THEY HAVE FIRST A FUNCTION THEY ARE DESIGNED TO TELL A STORY, THEN THE INTERPRETATION OF IT CAN BE TAKEN IN AN EMOTIONAL WAY MAKING YOUR FEELINGS EMERGE, CONVERTING IT IN ART. THE TRICK HERE IS THAT CINEMA NEEDS ALMOST ALL CLASIC ARTS TO HAVE A GOOD CONTROL AND RESULT FROM IT.

@shian hate the feeling of Lynch aproach, he don want to call it art, SO LET IT BE, its first a story, and for him it is not art. Its very good to have critics and points of view, if not the all would be the same shit.

Im a fan of Béla Tarr, you dont like lich maybe you should look more at satantango, or damnation, or werkemeister harmonies, to see where does linch extracts those feelings.

8hours from satan lol. take a look at minute 45:00 and see if you can handle it. ITS ART, its respected, but i just dont agree.

@shian Cameron fired someone for saying "Hi" too him, this has nothing to do with the chamber.

what is art, since you still don't get it shian.

wikipedia: Art is a diverse range of human activities and the products of those activities; this article focuses primarily on the visual arts, which includes the creation of images or objects in fields including painting, sculpture, printmaking, photography, and other visual media. Architecture is often included as one of the visual arts; however, like the decorative arts, it involves the creation of objects where the practical considerations of use are essential—in a way that they are usually not for a painting, for example. Music, theatre, film, dance, and other performing arts, as well as literature, and other media such as interactive media are included in a broader definition of art or the arts.[1] Until the 17th century, art referred to any skill or mastery and was not differentiated from crafts or sciences, but in modern usage the fine arts, where aesthetic considerations are paramount, are distinguished from acquired skills in general, and the decorative or applied arts.

What only a few people know is, Shian was offered work on the upcoming pictures by Mendes, Dominik, and David O. Russel, but then he tried to fire them for putting Lynch movies on their Sight and Sound top 10 lists over the summer. What confusion ensued! It was Who's the Boss writ large. Lots of name-calling. Russel even went home for TWO DAYS before a panicky cast - still pulling in their salaries but wanting to earn them the old fashioned way, by pretending - called up Robert De Niro, of all people, to bring him back (it was everyone's good fortune that De Niro was able to manage this with just a look (you know the look)). Another blessing: no one broke out the wikipedia, but someone on location of one of these pictures (I won't say who, but the name rhymes with Bad Shit) did manage to bring Tarr's Turin Horse into the conversation, and Gus Van Sant heard about this, Skyped in from Portland, and then it was really flying (if you know what I mean).

Mr. Brainwash is typing a heated response of his own, but with his blood turning to glue and all, it's taking a while, so let's keep this thread alive. Has anyone gone off on any Manny Farber termite art vs white elephant art trips, yet (I'm presuming one brave soul has read through the whole thing)?

The only good thing about this topic is, that nobody has to ask "the question" anymore - we all understood it quite well - without asking.

Why?

Oh. Btw. This is Art:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/topic/politics/art-johnson-PEPLT007407.topic

Walking out during an interview creates a sense of mystery, just like telling a story but not presenting all of the plot at once, like a David Lynch film that makes you try to figure out what is actually happening.