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  • My only worry is, knowing Panasonic Lumix sales history, we should be seeing this available for sale in USA by... maybe next July? :)

  • @kholi Maybe I´m spoilt in this regard (cinema perspective) from the gh2... You can do a lot with good handling, good lenses, good use of filters e.t.c. So the look of a motion picture doesn´t tell me, personally a whole lot. I guess the shots that I personally find the most impressive are the night-time shots. (hardest to manipulate)

    I want to see simple footage (w/o shallow DOF) from an array of conditions where any external manipulation (ligthing, filters e.t.c.) are clearly stated. Test shots, basically. I´m really curious about what kind of texture it produces.. But then again, I don´t think panny need to sell me this camera, as I already have the intention to get one asap.

    For me, John sold the BMD cam... or more importantly it was the quality of the images, (cam obviously used well).

  • after all the debates about music for the previous video, i noticed that "genesis" does not give any credit for music - smart sound or such, no budget, i guess...

  • I liked the look of the Genesis video. Story was, well, meh. Saw that ending coming from a mile away! But I kept reminding myself, it's really just a higher budget camera test. I'm most happy with the skin tones.

    I see no reason why I won't get a GH3 - it fits into my camera ecosystem. Ultimately, when I get one will come down to price, availability, and what options the camera comes with. I've been looking for a B-cam, so I assume my GH2 will become just that.

    My only geeky hope is that there is a better way to get audio into the camera (maybe mini-XLR in on the battery adapter?). But that's just what I dream about on Saturdays when I'm not cleaning my apartment... ie. I should be cleaning my apartment right now.

  • Only seen it on my phone so far, so this isn't too much of a technical response, though the improved DR, low light performance and smoothness of that codec has me very happy. To me that adds up to a lot more than pure resolution alone, though I won't be completely sold until I see other tests and how it performs under color correction. If it does come with the 12-35 ands its a reasonable price, I see no reason why not to pair this with a gh2 or a bmc. Looking forward to hearing all of the specs in full detail soon!

  • @RRRR

    That's sort of the grey area, though... with all that was done, it looks great from a cinema perspective. Like, a motion picture. In that regard, strictly judging cinematic value, there's a lot to be had.

    And, IMO, it also does more for me than any of the recent release videos that have come around. That might just be me.

    On the other hand, I liked that BMD just gave John a camera to run around with, and the stuff that he showed earlier on. Yeah, it was beaches and people, but without a lot there to distract it sort of shows exactly what the camera is. So, many ways to skin a cat...

    Maybe someone will get ahold of one earlier on as well and show a different side to it?

    Either way, at least it's almost here.

  • Well, considering PB reaches a lot more potential buyers than Bruce Logan, it was a good decision to do something like this. Although, I can´t really see anything particularly interesting about the vid - I mean - there are good looking shots but impossible to say much about the camera used.

  • Who wants to bet on which hack setting Panasonic used in the GH3 firmware ;)

  • @kholi Agreed. Nice promo video demoing camera abilities, definitely directed by Bruce Logan considering no slider shots of foliage set to Wagner or Holst, grinning faces... ;-)

    Happy to see PB shooting narrative on this one. Plenty of time for tests later, looks good so far. Would be nice to see limited 4K video mode, if even capped for 10 seconds or so- that would generate massive buzz...

  • If you watch the video again just look at the night scene with the cops and pay attention to the lights. In particular the Police lights and brake lights of the vehicles. You can actually see detail in the lights as opposed to just a blown out blob. That tells me a lot about the DR of this camera cuz usually you can't do a low light scene and have such bright lights as police and emergency vehicles in the shot and not have the lights blow out all the time. For a GH this was a very good job of handling that much DR.

  • They should have gotten Kraft to promote that PB video...

  • To be fair, Bruce Logan has done a lot of work here. You can see his lighting style, down to camera work and action in most scenes in this footage. Just, Philip is the more popular name within the very low budget community.

    Not saying that Philip didn't do anything, just that Bruce Logan has done a lot here, and his stamp is on it.

  • This was a PRE PRODUCTION GH3! Let's remember that too. Still I thought it was very good test of the camera. IMO you can't really make a hard judgment off the video alone. We still have to have 1st hand experience from multiple users. However, this promo vid did show a lot of positive signs.

    When you look at the new build and features, along with the image quality such as we can tell so far it looks like a very good product.

  • I really have trouble understanding Panasonic approach.

    Leak of promotional video.
    Now, Bloom shooting something that also must, by idea, promote GH3.

    Is everything ok in Panasonic?

  • One thing I found reassuring is it just "feels" like the image is out of a GH-cam. It has that same look, which I've become very accustomed to in my work thusfar with the GH2. Acclimating to this cam will be a breeze for previous GH users.

  • Colour stunning, dynamic range better, low light looks alot better in terms of latitude, 1080 slo mo looks great, decent codec options out the box and its build like a tank....awesome.

  • @mpgxsvcd Yep, and what's your point? You're still telling me that these companies don't do this? Have you ever actually been behind the scenes on anything like this?

  • That video showed me everything I need to see to make a purchase. In terms of motion cadence, the slight judder / exposure trail issues that some of us notice at odd times weren't present. Everything was very clean. If it's under 2k then this is definitely a must buy.

  • @MinorHD I like Imogen Heap a lot. That does not mean I like it when someone tries to copy the literal side of what she has done instead of continuing in her spirit. I also like her innovation and production standards and do not feel this piece lived up to either. Her music always seems very appropriate to what she is doing - you cannot simply expect that it will apply to future work the same way.

    I do not think that is what she would have been inspired to write if she looked at that footage. I think there are literally thousands of composers that could have looked at the footage and been inspired to create music that went along well with the pictures. This music seems very disconnected.

    For instance, what is the video about? Either it is introducing something new and should be emphasizing the exoticness and adventure of that, or it is presenting the professional aspect of a new product (and should emphasize that) or it is conveying how desirable something is (which means emphasizing either the desirability or longing, etc.)

    Given the content and editing approach of the material, there is nothing to suggest the combination of long spaces (without a strong sense of space) and a minamalist approach. In addition, given the target market, there should be an attempt made to target universal timbres and textures: something that helps unify the market groups (or at the very least avoids alienating potential customers).

    Forgetting for a moment the worth of the music as a standalone entity, it is obvious that it is not functioning well as a marketing vehicle because in this thread (combined with others) there is an aggregate response of alienation in the comments that exceeds 40%. Not just "do not like very much" or "meh", but active or emphasized dislike.

    When people are distracted enough from your promotional video to mention that, the music is not doing the job it supposed to: supporting and serving the video.

    I guess what I am trying to say is, even if you genuinely like the music, do you not agree that it would be better off to listen to in a different context?

    And does not the addition the title cards suggest that the music should either have differentitated sections that highlight the different sides of the camera, or that it should flow, fill and unify in the background to create subtext that "this camera is fully equipped to handle all of these equally well"? It could also help to communicate the message to less experienced users of the camera that by using the GH3 you are becoming part of something bigger or "stepping in with the big boys".

    Marketing is supposed to address wants, desires, fears and needs. If the music does not aid in any of those, it is not in-line with the marketing intent.

    In other words, the GH3 deserves better. A lot better.

  • berniez said a few days ago : "...OK, more detail. The video signal is linear and digital. Every time we add a bit we double the number of levels available. 8 bits is 256 levels. Of course luminance is made up of red+green+blue. So the best possible outcome with 8 bits is 256 levels of R + 256 levels of blue (Giving one extra doubling ie: 9 stops) + 256 levels of green which is an extra 1/2 stop. So the best possible outcome with 8 bits is 9.5 stops ..."

    I think there is something misunderstood here,

    1/ first, luminance in the video signal is not 3 x 256 level. It is 256 bits only,

    2/ Dynamic Range is the way light is registered and shows when photosites (and D/A conversion) are loosing their mind not being able to make difference between 1 signal and another signal with twice the light,

    3/ The best possible outcome in a 8 bits signal (luminance) depends of the gamma function. See what LPowell and danyyyel said in this page.

    For instance : 256*(0,5)^DR=1 gives DR=8, that means for a flat gamma of course the best DR is 8 levels.

    256*(0,7)^DR=1 gives DR=15,5 inside a 8bits signal...

  • Not sure what all the praise is for "Genesis." Story was blah... Images, unless they were shooting in higher ISO territory, could've been easily shot with a hacked GH2.

    Maybe the "G" needs to be hacked.

  • I think so far Pana's advertising campaign is a fail when in comes down to artistic audience, people arguing about bokeh and other mystical aspects of the picture. Instead of going classic, shooting picturesque views, sexy bitchez and flamboyant colors they did very weird promo clip and now this. Gloomy purplish-brown ala suspense short reminded me of some student work. Not bad, produced without major flaws but nothing to write home about. Zacuto audience is lost.

    I'm not an artist, I'm rather a logical person, so I'll wait for some technical, strictly scientific, no bullshit tests.

  • I love the song in the promo video and it sets the mood beautifully. What the heck, none of you like Imogen Heap or Bon Iver? Btw, that was definetely not Heap singing.

  • I am definitelty excited about the GH3 as well. I do think it is interesting that (almost) no one is talking about sound (in- / outputs / preamps). I have a GH2 but the audio workflow is still the biggest problem for me as a documentary filmmaker.I bought a Tascam, but I returned it, as it is just too much for 1 guy. In a week or so I will test the new AG-AC90. (1080 50P) Let's see how the tiny AC90 sensor does compared to the GH2. If it is much worse, I am afraid I need to buy the GH3 as well....

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