forget filmic, orgasmic is the look to go for.

What I see in a number of web videos is that many appear to go for "film" look or cinematic camera techniques when the purpose of using the camera does not require it, and would be better off without it.

For example, trying to make family clips "cinematic". Things like adding dramatic music to pictures of relatives walking around in a tourist destination, using 24fps and adjusting image to resemble film stock, fiddling with gear, lenses and angles at the cost of the moment, and publishing it for everyone on the web to see. Meanwhile, what the rest of the family usually needs is capturing a memory close to life, including having the camera holder in the moment with them, not worrying about the act of capturing. Rarely do people really want to be used as objects of cameraman's practice or attempts at art.

I bet most of us camerapeople have made the mistake, while spouse/kid/nephew/whoever pointing their small-sensor all-auto videocam or smartphone in right direction has provided better material for memories.

there is a lot more to achieving the "cinematic" look than the camera itself.

FYI: just read this

How to Get rid of the Video Look in the Panasonic GH4 http://wolfcrow.com/blog/how-to-get-rid-of-the-video-look-in-the-panasonic-gh4/

@AndyS

your feeble response in the previous thread to not posting the footage you mention so often was that the subject was the GH4 - the subject of this thread is .. truly filmic etc etc.

so what's your reason for not posting some of your 'filminc footage in this thread

put up or shut up (for the 3rd time)

GH2 is more Filimic out the box than GH4. Sample clip before the hack gh2

kodak film is stunning…and for a paying job I use it

@AndyS Hey I found your camera!

keeping my gh2

I actually kind of agree that gh4 does not have "filmic" look. I can't really define what that is. I don't think it's only oversharp, but more complex not easily defined things like highlight roll-off, how it handles colors, is contrast too much on object's edge, etc.

Now can most of this be "fixed" with proper lighting and grading? Absolutely. For me, I'm holding off on a gh4 until I see the shogun recorded 4k with 4:2:2 color. Same with a7. I don't thing there's enough A7 footage out there to really judge just yet.

I have a BlackMagic Cinema Camera. With all its limitations ad quirks, the BMCC it's way more filmic out of the box. And grades way better than a gh4 or a7 probably ever will. When I look at the footage, non-filmic never pops into mind. But a gh4 is miles better for eng-type filming and media gathering. I would never even think about using Black Magic for that. It would be like being beating myself on the head with a baseball bat.

This filmic, not filmic thing is like the difference on your TV between DEMO and FILM. All the settings together make the difference.

I think a gh4 can look filmic, but probably not without a fair amount of work in post. And that should be easier with more color info.

I'm hoping 4k will be Elvish.

@AndyS There are many reasons to buy a camera, all of those who have purchased a GH4, I guess have done so by gathering their own evidence and making a judgement based on "their" own needs. If you don't see what you are looking for in this or any other camera, moving on is probably advisable. You are not going to find that others who have decided that this camera is right for "them", rejoicing in reasons why this camera is not right for you. You will also find (and may have found already) that when you question other people's judgement, this is often misunderstood as inferring that other's judgement is wrong, this isn't in fact the case, it is only that other's reasons are different to your own.
I think that is your problem right here.. "I want someone to give me a good reason" nobody here is able to give you a good reason.. Because simply, your reasons are not our reasons.. Remember that questioning other people's judgement will lead you in a less than positive direction. Enjoy your GH2 until a camera comes along that satisfies your own reasons to change :)