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2014 m43 cameras, including GH5 aka 4K Wizard
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  • "film community" is bullshit for a company like this one. the number of sells they need to achieve global profitability for the entire company require million of young mothers and childrens crying to have coolish panasonic products... not quite yet. the few bucks of the poor wannabe filmaker are a joke (or a marketing bonus at least) in the consumer market.

  • Are the people that buy the ghx series cams for filmmaking so small in the overall market that Pani doesn't bother to listen to what people want? I feel like if Pani were to listen to what the people want they could turn it around and actually profit. I guess in the big scheme of things were a tiny part of the overall sales. However it seems if it weren't for the gh community, they wouldn't have sold half the quantity they have. But IDK. Why not bring in some real users to help with the design of a new cam. That's kind of what went down with the AF100, even know it was a different division of the company.

  • Panasonic will roll out about five new compact digital cameras next year, half this year's number, in a bid to return a segment besieged by smartphone cameras to profitability by fiscal 2014.

    The 2014 crop of new arrivals will center on pricey offerings that cost 30,000 yen ($296) or more, set apart by such features as high-magnification zoom.

    The company will focus on mirrorless single-lens models, with the diminutive 274-gram Lumix GM set to go on sale Thursday and another device capable of capturing 4K ultra-high-definition video also slated for development.

    While Panasonic will continue to produce its more affordable offerings, it is considering OEM arrangements for models under 20,000 yen. The company will work to increase sales of lenses, which have other uses such as in surveillance cameras, and move their production in-house.

    Panasonic anticipates a second consecutive year of losses for its digital camera business in fiscal 2013 on the back of weak sales of compact offerings. Global digital camera sales are expected to shrink by over 2 million units this fiscal year to about 4 million.

    http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Panasonic-to-halve-digital-camera-releases-in-2014

  • So basically from my pov I'll squeeze all I can get from my GH2 , skip the purchase of the BMPCC and wait for the 3g's GH4…but wait how many people have a 4K monitor? when the tube or vimeo or etc will have a decent 4K res w a decent compression? so what's the point filming in 4k and don't have the proper res in all everyday use? ok u still can downsize it but i mean companies are pushing the 4K consumer for the next level but what the heck none is ready yet…. Plus you have to add to the ingredients the economic crisis et voilà the 4k omelette is done!

  • @ahbleza

    http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/8745/new-m43-panasonic-sensor-with-4k-support-mn34230pl#Item_16

    We had the topic quite a while before Voldemort wrote his usual big post about things he have no idea about.

  • Latest rumours on the GH5 (although they still seem to think it will be the GH4).

    http://www.eoshd.com/content/11502/depth-coverage-panasonic-announce-4k-video-capable-micro-four-thirds-sensor

    "The recent rumours surfacing of Panasonic releasing an AG-GH4 around the $3000 mark have been given a boost. Panasonic have now officially announced the existence of a 16MP Micro Four Thirds sensor which is capable of 4K video at up to 30fps, matching the rumoured specs of the GH4."

  • New rumors on modular design. A Frankenstein, sort of

    Will we see a GH3 hack before this new cam? :)

  • This will demand much more CPU intensive decompression than before and far more headaches for NLE's.

    Most demand will be in compression, not decompression. Btw, last MTK mobile chip can decode H.265 :-)

    The industry really, really, really must come up with a high quality editable recording codec for consumer gear shown to be popular for the indie filmmaker crowd.

    Industry consist from corporations. And corporations are very interested in so called "soft" standards. Something easy to change, something requiring some licensing :-)

  • H.265 "recording" will be a curse, not a blessing. You thought H.264 was bad for editing, you ain't seen nuthin' yet!

    In order to get decent 10 bit-12bit UHD (and even 8k) into a smaller deliverable package for streaming, disc, and broadcast media the codec had to have an entirely new level of complexity built in. This will demand much more CPU intensive decompression than before and far more headaches for NLE's.

    And an entirely new round of transcoding will have to be implemented for the poor souls continuing to have to suffer the use of consumer-grade cameras in order to shoot.

    The industry really, really, really must come up with a high quality editable recording codec for consumer gear shown to be popular for the indie filmmaker crowd.

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev, your idea makes a lot of sense and will be really nice. Question is why can't they make bold decisions and say we were the first to do that. If you think about about it, it will look good for marketing too.

  • 4:3 full size video recording please!!!

    This one is quite improbable. As it is not very trendy now :-)

    But I think it could be really good idea.

    I think whole video settings must be divided into three parts.

    • Sensor mode (scan window size, position), so you can specify any aspect or work in 1:1 mode. And FPS with 1 fps step above 1 fps, and 0.01 step below it.
    • Color science that allow to define any parameters of raw->picture processing, including LUT, sharpness, etc
    • Record mode that allow to record in any mode. So you can even record 4:3 picture into 16:9. And specify any FPS you like (as video container setting).
  • 4:3 full size video recording please!!!

  • For me, 4k or 2k/1080p is irrelevant. What matters is the quality of the frame. How detail is rendered, falloff, dynamic range and so on. A good quality 1080p upscaled frame will look better than a poor quality 4k frame (in 4k viewing).

    We´re finally at a point where very, very high quality 1080p is available, for very very little money. Do I want to trade that of for a poor 4k frame? No thanks.

  • Whatever the next GH records, I hope it has a GH1/GH2 sized sensor for 16:9. 1.85 vs 2.0 makes a world of difference.

  • @Ironfilm 43rumors cites and link eos. They posted at the same time and he specified Berlin time too. So it seems they worked together for this leak

  • kurth, the two articles are not referencing each other. Apparently both EOSHD and 43rumors were working on this together? Then they both posted their articles at exactly the same time. (to the minute)

  • Personally, I hope any new video-dominant camera Panasonic releases is more robust ergonomically than their GH line. I don't like the idea of strapping all kinds of things to a GH body to make it functional for video. That's just no fun in the field. That was the primary strength of the AF, (it's noted IQ issues notwithstanding). Plus, justifiably or not, the form factor of a robust video camera puts clients at ease. I have a really hard time pulling a GH2 out of the bag for a client shoot when I have to spend the first 15 minutes defending it. This has happened!

  • I wouldn't be surprised if it is exactly as listed, with one or two things left out.

    Yes... hopefully something like 120fps over-cranking in 2k. Or at least 60fps. It's just got to have SOME over-cranking somewhere.

  • Are we talking about AVCUltra? It's spec'd for 4K, and Panasonic Broadcast doesn't have any other proprietary "codec" outside of Intra that handles 4K. If I remember right, Ultra is H264 or no?

    Not sure if this is off-topic.

  • Yours is the more likely scenario, but, have we seen any HEVC implementations in cameras yet

    Sony 4K cameras, as I remember.

    I doubt that someone will use H.264 for 4K.

  • Ahhhh good point... if it's HEVC that makes more sense. I assumed it was AVCUltra(ish), that's where the MicroP2 came from. Yours is the more likely scenario, but, have we seen any HEVC implementations in cameras yet?

  • @kholi

    In fact, HVEC allows 10-bit encoding.

    But as I understand rumors told only about output.

  • There's definitely a lot in the rumors that was supposed to go into the GH3 or the next iteration of the GH cameras, I haven't really been paying attention to the DSLR side and any rumors around here, but again it sounds about right.

    Actually, the only thing that doesn't make sense is the 10-Bit 422... that suggests that Panasonic's going to go against their own M.O. and allow users to try media from other brands... or, they're going to force MicroP2, which would be the most reliable implementation at a hefty cost.

    I hope it's not MicroP2, or it's going to be a really tough sell for a lot of people. Think Sandisk 64gb Extreme PRos cost a lot... check MicroP2 prices.

  • Ah, @kholi , always the voice of reason. :) That's some interesting backstory on the GH3. It gives me hope the next one will really be a step up. As far as things left out, I hope a higher bit depth isn't one of them. I don't necessarily need RAW, but something more than 8-bit is essential.

  • Why do they send all the secret shit to L.A. or Berlin? I've got pretty girls, pretty jungle, pretty architecture, and academy award nominated producer and international publication cred...hoooola Panasonic Latin America, land where endless Lumixes are sold, send some shit to PTY!


    Pretty exciting if this is true, anyhow.

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