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2K BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera, active m43, $995
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  • hankhank

    Hmmmm....sad. sensor shouldn t be referd to as s16 by bm then.

  • OedipaxOedipax

    @feonn, wow check out that moiré at 0:37

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    but why not deactivate more and to get true s16 or smaller. so youre able to use s16 lenses on s16 camera?

    You just can't, it is already pixel to pixel mode.

  • hankhank

    i get that.but why not deactivate more and to get true s16 or smaller. so youre able to use s16 lenses on s16 camera?

  • johnnymjohnnym

    As much as a 24mm, i think. But i'm curious to see some footage with one, too.

  • No_SuRReNDeRNo_SuRReNDeR

    @johnnym Thx man

    Would a fish eye like the Rokinon 8.5mm still be distorted?

  • feonnfeonn

    Here you can get an idea of the supposed FOV with different lenses:

  • johnnymjohnnym

    @No_SuRReNDeR http://bmpcc.rubenkremer.nl/

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    if s16 lenses dont cover sensor i cant see any sense in this choice of sensor size...

    Now, suppose that they left same active sensor areas as in BMCC, who'll buy it?

  • hankhank

    @kodakmoment if s16 lenses dont cover sensor i cant see any sense in this choice of sensor size...

  • shianshian

    or shell out $800 for one of these http://www.adorama.com/IOM12M.html?gclid=CMaPnuqJy7YCFUeCQgod_hcAsg

  • fatpigfatpig

    Wiki says: "2K represents the horizontal resolution because there are numerous aspect ratios used in film. " So The BMPCC, as all other HD Cameras is to be correctly called 1080p. just take the 2k from the title. :)

  • No_SuRReNDeRNo_SuRReNDeR

    So let me make sure I get this...if my 25mm leica summilux m43 would be a 37mm on BMPC it would look the same FOV-wise as a 72mm lens on a full frame... basically taking my "standard 50mm shot" FOV-wise and turning it into a a tighter 72mm shot FOVwise....

    Which translates to >keep my GH2 for the wide shots cause the crop factor blows----in a nut shell.

  • shianshian

    @balazer that's confusing. And kinda backwards. Your verbiage makes the 25mm wider on the BM than on Full frame, it's the other way around.

    A 25mm full frame lens (Canon, Nikon, Zeiss, Voightlander, etc.) would be a 75mm on the BMD. [in terms of FOV]

    A 25mm m43 lens (Panny, Olypmus, etc.) would be a 37mm on BMD.

  • shianshian

    No, jason. It's not additive. I was wrong to say 2.3 that's inaccurate. A 1.3 crop over m43, is the difference in FOV between a 35mm lens and a 50mm lens [generally speaking]

  • balazerbalazer

    Still a lot of confusion here on the crop factors. Here are the camera sensor diagonals:

    • BMPCC: 14.32 mm

    • GH2: 21.41 mm

    • GH3: 19.83 mm

    • Full-frame: 43.23 mm

    To convert from camera A to camera B, take B's diagonal divided by A's diagonal and multiply that result by the lens focal length and f-number.

    Converting from the BMPCC to a full-frame camera, multiply by 43.23/14.32, or 3. E.g. a 25 mm f/1.4 lens attached to the BMPCC is equivalent to a 75 mm f/4.2 lens attached to a full-frame camera in terms of diagonal angle of view, depth of field, and light gathering ability.

    Converting from the BMPCC to the GH2, multiply by 21.41/14.32, or 1.5. E.g., a 25 mm f/1.4 lens attached to a BMPCC is equivalent to a 37 mm f/2.1 lens attached to a GH2.

  • shianshian

    IDK... 30% is more than you think. The crop on the GH3 vs the GH2 is only like 10% or something [I can't remember the actual number which would be a 1.1 crop], and it's very noticeable. So triple that. See below link for visual comparison.

    http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/comment/102358#Comment_102358

  • No_SuRReNDeRNo_SuRReNDeR

    Ok... So essentially my 25mm Summilux will be a 58mm on this vs the 50mm shot on Gh2 and the 14mm is a 32 vs being a 28mm on the GH2. I can live with that

  • shianshian

    nope - if m43 is 2x crop over full frame add another .3 to the crop, but it'd be nice if they gave the reference point, and maybe a small diagram showing crop factor vs m43 image circles as well as the full frame lenses they know will be used via adapters. I'm assuming that's what they mean because the mount is m43, so a 1.3x crop would make sense.

  • No_SuRReNDeRNo_SuRReNDeR

    @shian So my lenses will be wider than when they are on my GH2?

  • shianshian

    I think he means 1.3x over m43, not over full frame

  • No_SuRReNDeRNo_SuRReNDeR

    @_gl Thx I hadnt considered jello as an issue.

    -I am REALLY confused about the 1.3x crop factor here can someone please simplify if I am using my 25mm summilux on this is it WIDER than on a gh2?....Was he meaning to say 3.1x?.... I dont understand how a smaller sensor means the camera has a lower crop factor than Gh2? The only thing I want to know is HOW WIDE will my M43 lenses be as compared to Gh2?

  • AriaAria

    @apefos, yes it's possible to make "some" adjustment using picture styles but that method isn't as robust as going with RAW. For me just shooting and not having to worry about it is a huge benefit. The BMD method is just superior IMO.

  • apefosapefos

    Bmpcc shoot raw and you grade the footage in post and encode into 8bit codec

    Canon dslr uses picture styles and converts raw into 8 bit in camera, so custom picture styles can be a way to make canon cameras behaves as a bmpcc...

  • last_SHIFTlast_SHIFT

    So I finally downloaded some ungraded BMCC 1080 ProRes files floating around the web to give it a whirl in AE just for shits and grins - and wow, what can I say - such beautiful color. I'm not ready to pre-order but damn, lets' put this on the top of my X-Mas list. My D800 for stills, and this baby for moving images sounds just about right for what I am interested in.

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