Cameras exist in a time loop. By the time this camera would be developed, bugs worked out, etc, etc, it would be obsolete. There would be something better and faster. And even if we could use it for a month or so, would it be worth the work? Anyone who wants to make a product should just do it. And BTW, @anthonybert, there are plenty of technically talented people here. You didn't make a mistake in looking for them here. They simply may not share your vision which is just the way things are sometimes. No biggie. They just think if you can't even put together a cardboard prototype--like the Olly pen mockup--or a 3D rendering that a camera might even be harder to build.

...whoa...that was fast ! I do like robertGL's idea, except make it a s8 cartridge....with mechanical shutter already in those s8 beaulieus.

but really...being in the eng field for 15 years, the complexity surely outweighs any proposed benefits. Anyone watching Red knows that you need more than a few dudes in a garage. It ain't Apple in '76. And while I wouldn't want to discourage any garage genius, I'd recommend you made a few billion in the sunglasses business first.

All,

After taking all your advice and feedback on board, I realise that it was probably a mistake to look for engineers on the forum.

I do not wish to waste people's time and will explore a different avenue to reach my goal.

Thanks for all your feed back. I will now close that thread.

Thank you

@anthonybert

Things that I told have nothing to do with MBA, but they are related to question on how serious your proposal is.

I suggest to change first post to make it contain all data about yourself, contact information, that exact qualification you need (and it is quite strange to search for camera engineers on forums) and all details properly sorted.

Is it your business - http://www.textanywhere.net/ ?

@Vitaliy_Kiselev May I kindly refer you to my previous answer.

Market size analysis and all the things??? Did you get you MBA with honour? Just kidding :)

I feel that you haven't read what I've been writing. I'm trying to focus on getting a team of passionate people to build a camera. the Camera would be the product. The product determine your market segment.

We are not a business yet, far from it. What we could be is an R&D team that will decide on a product. If the first focus is how do we make money, then we are doing the wrong thing. (I've learnt that one from one of your users many many moons ago. I was young and he taught me the virtu of focusing on doing the best product I could rather than aspiring to financial reward)

At the end of the day I do not want to have to fight my corner every 5 minutes.

If you fear that I'm not equipped to lead such a venture, that is your right. I can only tell you that I have been the CTO and co-founder of my business that has now run successfully for 12 years and counting, So I feel like I do qualify in understanding how to start and progress a business. Trust me I have made my fair share of mistakes and learnt from them

The only question is: Is there someone in this forum that have the skills and would be happy to join the team.

If the answer is no then that's fair enough and I will close this post. I will not loose any sleep over it. That was just a genuine offer to the people of this forum that I felt would be interested. That's all.

@anthonybert I was mostly joking by comparing you to Digital Bolex, but I also had a point. End-to-end design of a camera for filmmakers is really hard. If you underestimate the difficulty, you risk becoming the next DB - a company with a neat idea for a camera, but only a weak ability to execute.

Additionally, have you considered spending time with the Apertus group? They've been working on an open source digital cinema camera for some time now and you seem to share some goals in common. At the least, following their progress may be a way to warn yourself of possible pitfalls. https://www.apertus.org/

@Jasketti All fair comments... In this world things seems to be obsolete as soon as they are on the shelf.

But is it really obsolete? or is it the people that have so much choice that they are attracted to regular change hence making new products' life ephemeral?

Anyway I take on board what you said and can assure you that the goal is definitely to stay as cheap as possible otherwise there is no point. I do like the BMCC price point I just feel that more can be done for the same price.

Andy, Thanks for your input, and I agree that protoboarding will be a good start. My intention is not to do it on an open forum, but more on a selected forum :) and feed back progress in the open forum.

I like your idea about the BMCC, Just not sure I like the dependence on Blackmagic. and of course this project can never give us access to market which is not so good for people putting their time in. I want to have fun, not sit with lawyers for years on end for patent/design infringement. Although Rental could be achievable, those guys in the state who created a mod version of the go pro are going for rental. But Rental is another beast especially when it come to electronic goods.

The BMCC produce a great image as we all know, and they also have a great tech, Using yours andy I feel that the form factor, usability and software could have a greater scope for not much more money. Now a BMCC in an XL2 body and software, I'd buy it tomorrow.

In the I know this is a difficult task. If it comes to nothing I can always fee l that I have try to reach out :)

Life has been good to me and I just want to re-energise the word "Enterprise". I just think we need more of it at the moment.

@Vitaliy_Kiselev you are absolutely right. The business plan and model will be delivered to the final elected team. I'm just trying to get things organised. So here is the initial agenda.

1 - Is there enough talented people here to form a team

2 - Select the team out of those people. At then the business model and plan will be disclosed to those selected.

3 - After everyone agrees on the terms we will publicly disclose our plans on this forum. with at minimum weekly update from all department.

I do not believe that the business plan has to be disclosed now as the only question is:

Are you interested and what are your skills?

I do understand how it looks on the side and I'm not asking you to have faith and jump you eyes close.

I'm actually asking people to be a bit more open minded and take the opportunity to listen to someone who admits that he is not an expert in sensor, or electronic but realise that there is an opportunity to create something great with great people.

When I say I'm financing the project, bizarrely it means that I'm financing the project.

Here it's the same. I will buy all necessary components for research and will finance the production of the camera until it is a final product that can hit the market. Each participant will have no personal expense except their time. But sensors, software optics everything else need will be purchased by myself and delivered to the person in charge of his department.

I did no say that I had no skills at all, I just don't think that I am an expert in some fields and therefore there is no need for me to talk for nothing. Now Yes I have a lot of skills, and as I previously said, if enough competent people are interested for each section needed to produce that camera, they will have the full resume of my personal achievements and skills. Then they can make their mind up wether they think I can drive the team to produce this camera or not.. This is as simple as that. I have worked in the UK for the past 13 years with some serious engineers and I never encountered such pessimism. And I thought I was the pessimistic one :)

@Vitaliy_Kiselev, Yes I'm well aware of the Epic story regarding the Bolex.

Did you read my post at the top. Is it for me to show you the designs? I'm actually financing the people from this forum to get what they want. so It's for those who will be participating to show us what they are made of. I am not one of this people pretending to be someone I'm not. this is a project from the ground up.

Everyone have been giving their opinions for years about what should be a great camera. Everyone have been boasting about their competencies. Well now the money is on the table, I hope that the serious people of this forum will shine. and Vitaly you are welcome to join.

The only thing I can tell you is that design wise, I would like the final product to be very close (external design wise) to the Canon XL2. IT was a lovely ergonomic camera to use and things just felt in the right place.

@anthonybert

This comments was not about you, if you know last year history :-)

Otherwise, show us prototype, design, boards, etc. Some serious things.