Yes, Internet Stranger, I would love to join your team and work for nothing but the promise of a possible stake in something down the road. Being, like all others here, a complete amateur in the field of camera design and manufacture, I feel that not only do I have a lot to offer the team, but given the high level of discourse and general harmony here, there's no doubt the final design will be a masterpiece of performance, operational elegance, and technical brilliance. Thank you for the opportunity, and I guess my only question is, do we get to pick our own guru type? Because if so, I want to be Optic Guru. Or Storage Guru. Or, and I know this wasn't on the list, but maybe think about Catering Guru? Gurus got to eat too, you know.

Gurus tend to be egomaniacs and don't work well together. So you need a Taskmaster Guru to whip them into line. All the Gurus are useless without an Organizational Guru. His or her first task is to put up a website to communicate your plan. Even scammers know how to do this. Sorry I can't help, my Skeptical Guru wrote the above, not me. Well, I'm off to build my Humvee with macaroni and rubber bands. Good luck! But hurry, Spielberg and Lucas just said the movie industry will soon implode, so there is no need for cameras anymore.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/steven-spielberg--george-lucas-warn-of-movie-industry-implosion-its-the-end-of-hollywood-as-we-know-it-8658179.html

Cool u try to hire ppl for free and then when the product is done u get the money and the other nothing! why dont u go on other forums u mor.......thx in advance

@eatstoomuchjam

LOL.

You also forgot very important requirement. You must be a hippie to do it.

@chef, Well it seems that people have lost faith. Where do you see see that people work for nothing? so to inform everyone, Company will be setup from day one. in the next month or so if we have found the right people Recruited participant will have 3 things: 1/ shares: 50% of the company divided by the amount of people recruited. so if 5 people are recruited then you get 10% each on day one.

2/ Cash lump sum(depending on your possible hour input) Ready for you on project delivery

Now since no one is taking any income including myself, all money received would distributed on a bi - annual dividend basis if profit exist of course.

The other 50% which I would keep ownership at the beginning will then become split in between financial investors which are not needed since I can finance the project, but we never know we may need to bring more capital on board if we have a opportunity to get big.

And also don't forget that I actually put all the cash on the table os each participant will able to acquire anything that is needed for the success of the project.

So I think what I'm offering is a little bit better than a kick starter project. isn't it? Here I'm not pretending that I know how to build a camera. I was just helping all of you expert to build one.

Btw, I don't think you need to call me a moron? is it really appropriate.

@eatstoomuchjam, @Vitaliy_Kiselev very funny and also very important to bring the subject. well timing is always a consideration, but I was thinking of having a very open project, shared on this very forum that would give daily/weekly updates.

I know that other project /company have not been shining on the subject, but that's only because they have not worked with the public. They left us in the dark. Here everything would be transparent.

Reading the comments, I do not believe that there is a massive interest, If the creator of this forum can only backup a proper investment by making a one line joke then it shows a very pessimistic future.

It seems like time have been wasted.

@anthonybert

This comments was not about you, if you know last year history :-)

Otherwise, show us prototype, design, boards, etc. Some serious things.

@Vitaliy_Kiselev, Yes I'm well aware of the Epic story regarding the Bolex.

Did you read my post at the top. Is it for me to show you the designs? I'm actually financing the people from this forum to get what they want. so It's for those who will be participating to show us what they are made of. I am not one of this people pretending to be someone I'm not. this is a project from the ground up.

Everyone have been giving their opinions for years about what should be a great camera. Everyone have been boasting about their competencies. Well now the money is on the table, I hope that the serious people of this forum will shine. and Vitaly you are welcome to join.

The only thing I can tell you is that design wise, I would like the final product to be very close (external design wise) to the Canon XL2. IT was a lovely ergonomic camera to use and things just felt in the right place.

I do understand how it looks on the side and I'm not asking you to have faith and jump you eyes close.

I'm actually asking people to be a bit more open minded and take the opportunity to listen to someone who admits that he is not an expert in sensor, or electronic but realise that there is an opportunity to create something great with great people.

When I say I'm financing the project, bizarrely it means that I'm financing the project.

Here it's the same. I will buy all necessary components for research and will finance the production of the camera until it is a final product that can hit the market. Each participant will have no personal expense except their time. But sensors, software optics everything else need will be purchased by myself and delivered to the person in charge of his department.

I did no say that I had no skills at all, I just don't think that I am an expert in some fields and therefore there is no need for me to talk for nothing. Now Yes I have a lot of skills, and as I previously said, if enough competent people are interested for each section needed to produce that camera, they will have the full resume of my personal achievements and skills. Then they can make their mind up wether they think I can drive the team to produce this camera or not.. This is as simple as that. I have worked in the UK for the past 13 years with some serious engineers and I never encountered such pessimism. And I thought I was the pessimistic one :)

@Vitaliy_Kiselev you are absolutely right. The business plan and model will be delivered to the final elected team. I'm just trying to get things organised. So here is the initial agenda.

1 - Is there enough talented people here to form a team

2 - Select the team out of those people. At then the business model and plan will be disclosed to those selected.

3 - After everyone agrees on the terms we will publicly disclose our plans on this forum. with at minimum weekly update from all department.

I do not believe that the business plan has to be disclosed now as the only question is:

Are you interested and what are your skills?

Andy, Thanks for your input, and I agree that protoboarding will be a good start. My intention is not to do it on an open forum, but more on a selected forum :) and feed back progress in the open forum.

I like your idea about the BMCC, Just not sure I like the dependence on Blackmagic. and of course this project can never give us access to market which is not so good for people putting their time in. I want to have fun, not sit with lawyers for years on end for patent/design infringement. Although Rental could be achievable, those guys in the state who created a mod version of the go pro are going for rental. But Rental is another beast especially when it come to electronic goods.

The BMCC produce a great image as we all know, and they also have a great tech, Using yours andy I feel that the form factor, usability and software could have a greater scope for not much more money. Now a BMCC in an XL2 body and software, I'd buy it tomorrow.

In the I know this is a difficult task. If it comes to nothing I can always fee l that I have try to reach out :)

Life has been good to me and I just want to re-energise the word "Enterprise". I just think we need more of it at the moment.

@Jasketti All fair comments... In this world things seems to be obsolete as soon as they are on the shelf.

But is it really obsolete? or is it the people that have so much choice that they are attracted to regular change hence making new products' life ephemeral?

Anyway I take on board what you said and can assure you that the goal is definitely to stay as cheap as possible otherwise there is no point. I do like the BMCC price point I just feel that more can be done for the same price.

@anthonybert I was mostly joking by comparing you to Digital Bolex, but I also had a point. End-to-end design of a camera for filmmakers is really hard. If you underestimate the difficulty, you risk becoming the next DB - a company with a neat idea for a camera, but only a weak ability to execute.

Additionally, have you considered spending time with the Apertus group? They've been working on an open source digital cinema camera for some time now and you seem to share some goals in common. At the least, following their progress may be a way to warn yourself of possible pitfalls. https://www.apertus.org/

@Vitaliy_Kiselev May I kindly refer you to my previous answer.

Market size analysis and all the things??? Did you get you MBA with honour? Just kidding :)

I feel that you haven't read what I've been writing. I'm trying to focus on getting a team of passionate people to build a camera. the Camera would be the product. The product determine your market segment.

We are not a business yet, far from it. What we could be is an R&D team that will decide on a product. If the first focus is how do we make money, then we are doing the wrong thing. (I've learnt that one from one of your users many many moons ago. I was young and he taught me the virtu of focusing on doing the best product I could rather than aspiring to financial reward)

At the end of the day I do not want to have to fight my corner every 5 minutes.

If you fear that I'm not equipped to lead such a venture, that is your right. I can only tell you that I have been the CTO and co-founder of my business that has now run successfully for 12 years and counting, So I feel like I do qualify in understanding how to start and progress a business. Trust me I have made my fair share of mistakes and learnt from them

The only question is: Is there someone in this forum that have the skills and would be happy to join the team.

If the answer is no then that's fair enough and I will close this post. I will not loose any sleep over it. That was just a genuine offer to the people of this forum that I felt would be interested. That's all.