Official Sony NEX 5N topic

dark_fibre

@ed_lee83.Thanks for that. I have just bought some nice underwater (skin diving) goggles from a specialist dive shop, they recommend an anti-fogging fluid. If you keep having issues something similar might be worth a try.

ed_lee83

@dark_fibre I bought mine retail in Hong Kong for a slightly lower price than that. It was called Loupe Master. I believe Jag35 has the same OEM product. I wouldn't say it's more "conventional" but great to use if u wear glasses. But I find that it easily fogs up from breathing when you have the shade attached. As such, i cut into the shade tO give my nose a little room and for my breath tO escape.

dark_fibre

Nice rig, @ed_lee83. I too, am very interested in the type of view finders you mention, designed to allow you to view with both eyes (even with glasses on). I have recently read about the "magfinder" in the British "what digital camera" magazine. They tested it against the more conventional (one eyed) viewers & where quite impressed with it.

I can,t find the review online (i saw the printed copy). You can see the product at http://www.pinknoise-systems.co.uk/magfinder-p-614.html.

Where did you find yours?

ed_lee83

I'm afraid all this DIY stuff is a bit beyond me :)
Yeah, seriously @stonebat, drill some holes or cracking open the case would probably the most effective!

stoney

Why not drill some holes on the body and install tiny mesh dust filter? :)

Dazza

A peltier + Heatsink combo would work nicely, people already use them on DSLR for astrophotography

alcomposer

@ed_lee83 (don't own a nex...) however maybe try a Heat Pipe, as this would be able to make a closer connection to the body, (maybe even try transfer grease): http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10080

ed_lee83

@xenogears
Good for you i suppose. I've heard horror stories about overheating.
Here i had some time to try out a theory by placing cooling fans on the back of the body to see if a) Can record longer before overheat b) speed up recovery time after overheat shutdown.
In this test i filmed a TV screen with audio. Room temp was about 22 degrees C.

So, this had no help at all lenghtening record time (i peaked 35 mins) - which was as expected. But, after i turned off for about 15 secs, i was able to record for another 35 mins straight before overheating again. Before, it would only record for a few minutes.

Now I don't know if it's worth figuring out a feasible way to install these fans properly?

xenogears

@ed_lee83
Well, i only have a overheat once, but i was a hot day, switching from a room with many people to exterior under bright sun, turnig of fr 30 secs and no more overheat sign. I already recorded a 3 days shooting at night and no overheat, i´m from Venezuela so cool weather is not a option.

ed_lee83

@xenogears
Nice. Do you find using an external monitor reduces (or increases) overheat time?
I'm waiting to get a cage so I can figure out a way to install cooling fans or heat sinks or sth similar to cool the 5N quicker..

xenogears

Here´s my rig with the 5n

ed_lee83

thought i might keep this thread alive...
here's how I configured my 5N for a shoot recently.
Anyone ever heard of the Loupe Master viewfinder? I think Cinevate's Cyclops is similar. It's great because you can stick your face into it, and especially good for me as I wear glasses.

ed_lee83

FYI she's Korean. Just sayin'

Thinking of mounting my 5N (with pancake) onto my rifle to film some paintball action. Yay or nay? lol

Mimirsan

@alcomposer
No comparisons..more just about alternatives

@stonebat
I must be a beautiful Asian woman! ;-)
Would not bother with Nex lenses..theyre all mediocre

stoney

Why Sony is winning in Asia?

Beautiful women love Sony...

She loves 5N...

5N forever...

http://m.slrclub.com/v/minolta_forum/550749?page=1&divpage=104&ss=on&keyword=5n&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc

stoney

BTW where to get NEX lenses cheap?

stoney

I just wanna learn more about new body :)

alcomposer

Guys is this a comparison between GH2VK & NEX5N or GH2 Stock & NEX5N?

stoney

Thanks @mimirsan. Very useful hands-on knowledge.

We are like chefs. We can analyze foods like food critics, but we are also interested in cooking procedures. Everyone wants simple cooking food with great taste at budget. I watched a nice video from Canon S95. I bought one but found out it can't refocus during filming. WTF. There is always a catch.

It seems 5N has a whole lot more video features than GF3.

Mimirsan

whuuuuu?? Hahah
It would be easier for me to do a video demonstration...I use manual lenses only but when I had the kitlens you can lock focus by holding shutter or set it with one of the buttons (cant recall which).

First thing shitty touch screen is off!
The outer dial has fourway buttons
left is drive mode up is display change right is AE (P/A/S mode) bottom is for shutter/aperture.

basically I have custom button set for ISO,WB,Creative style (Aka film mode),metering mode...just a quick button press.

Peaking is set to red and high. Evf and lcd are sharp enough for mf pulling. Peaking needs contrast to be really functional so wont work very well in dark room.
High iso NR is set to low
Dynamic range filter is set to auto...sometimes off.
Histogram can be activated by pressing disp button and is only prior to recording...histogram is not shown during recording.
Live view is set to see changes in settings.
I shoot everything in M mode...dont see the point in the other mode and a pain to change as you have to go into a submenu.
Auto exposure lock is set to right custom button but only works in photos in PAS mode..so no AE for video sadly!
Video is shot with dedicated video button (like GF1,GH1)
Change aperture shutter speed & Iso prior or during recording..so all three are on the fly
Bottom button is mf assist press once x9.5 press again x4.8

Not sure about lcd display with HDMI...I guess it probably does as my sony hx9 did.

@dixontoby
Thanks for that! theyre quite local to me!
Ive found the 50p mode to have slightly more detail and way less rolling shutter...but use 25p mostly under the impression the extra bitrate helps.

dixontoby

@ed_lee83
I can confirm that this battery works on the 5n

http://www.premier-ink.co.uk/batteries/camera-/-camcorder/for-sony/blumax-sony-npfw50-digital-camera-camcorder-battery-p-3497.html

Does anyone know whether its better to shoot in 25p or 50p and halve the frames when shooting normal speed (not slow motion)? The bit rate is higher for 50p but is the data rate actually lower per frame, or is that not how it works?

rigs

Thanks @Mimirsan for the review. Yep most people can't draw good pictures but we all can use a pencil.

stoney

Changing ISO while shooting sounds nice. Picture quality is nice too.

Can you please write about how you control the camera for video?

e.g. Set GH2 at the creative mode. Pick a file mode. Change film mode settings. Adjust aperture and SS. Check histogram. It will show clipping based on the current reading of EV. Spot metering helps read a correct EV. ISO... preset 1 & 2 work OK. AWB doesn't nail down white but it looks OK. Press shutter. Half press to refocus (m43 lens). Focus can be locked or continuous. Change SS on the fly. Continue monitoring histogram. Over saturated highlight can be detected while filming. Audio live monitoring. HDMI ouputs 1080i60. Streaming is sharp enough for focus pulling. Built-in LCD can be displayed while outputting HDMI.

Those little tools and settings here and there help avoid pitfalls and increase the chance of getting a good raw footages. Only if you have time. Thanks @Mimirsan

Mimirsan

Not quite sure what youre asking stonebat?...margin of error is down to the user not the tool? Anyone can shoot great video with any tool in the right hands.
I could say no more than a GH2 except from the occasional alaising?
Im not going to make comparisons between the GH2 and Nex 5n...you get different results from these cameras.
But if you want some..heres what I noticed.

Codec is pretty robust (im comparing out of box here)
Less rolling shutter in 50p mode.
dynamic range is better
lowlight seems better with less colour shift (higher iso has this great balance of being clean but also detailed with more accurate colour)
skintones seem more natural (to me anyway)
using sunset profile gets rid of posterisation
using portrait is very good for grading.
You can change ISO while shooting...which is handy while on the fly.
I use focus peaking with reliable results.
The oled lcd/evf gives a closer colour representation of what you shot/photograph..it does shift but not as much as GH1/2 etc
Lovely Lovely jpegs.
Photo lag is good (Its now rare for me to get a blurry photo around 1/50...I had to go above 1/125 on GH)

Two photos attached
(shot with Voigt Ultron 28mm f1.9@f2.5 1/50)
(my little girl was rocking and sulking so she was moving in the shot)
(one of drink bottle is 1600 iso)

stoney

Those footages from 5N are impressive. How about margin of error?

Some people took good video with iPhones with great attentions. The thinner margin of error, the greater attentions. Basically more work.

What features does 5N have that give wider margin of error?

What we care the most is the quality of raw footages from camera. But the margin of error shouldn't be overlooked. If getting high quality raw footage is like landing a chopper on top of the empire state building, that can't be my tool ;).

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