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  • @lolo
    Do not worry, system won't allow them to edit without registration now :-)
    Btw, it is good idea to find PHP guy and make small plugin that allow to use auth backed of our forum.
  • @all please before edit any page of the wiki, you must register in the wiki, please use the same username that you use here, otherwise on the changes made we only get an ip adress, so nobody knows who is really editing the stuff....
  • please, read the gantt chart on the deadlines & goals page of the wiki.... for further information on the deadlines path suggested
  • @imagenate
    No problem with going slow, but we need deadlines and we need that everyones subscribe them.
  • No need to hurry, once the right script is in place, we can begin to build. This is the hardest part is finding the right story, then assembling the writing team or even single writer. It's good that the project has this time for the stories, themes and elements to develop.
  • There is already written the deadline for voting on wiki
  • Consensus is bad when trying to collaborate, it is the same as dictatorship of the group. Majority rule (democracy) is a whole different thing! :)

    I think we need to get to the point where we have already drafted out a pretty clear path (course of action, not necessarily everything decided) and then get to task assignment.

    Can we have a deadline for voting by the end of this week?
  • I'm missing some stuff:
    are we going to vote the elements and main concepts the 20th of december?
    We've to decide quickly the basic structure of the team and of the project or it'll be impossible to manage it. +I know that students have finals and workers have the most of the work in these days but we've to make some choices

    @Vitaliy
    Perfectly in line with you
  • @atticusd
    I do not mean dictatorship.
    I mean assigning clear roles.
    And have clear timeframe and clear checkpoints.
    As I said, I have no intention to interfere.
  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev
    Thanks for your input Vitaliy! You certainly got a point there. Only problem I see is that in these initial stages and taking into account that we're using online forums as the main form of communication, if you start giving orders without trying to get a consensus, even if you have the best intentions in mind, you're likely to come up as a dictatorial douche bag. Right now we need some democracy to choose the base ingredients of the project, then the main roles will be assigned and everything will go much more smoothly (I hope). And by the way, you have every right to interfere and are very welcome to do so.

    @B3Guy
    Ok, then. I’ll start working on it. Let’s build this motherfucker up!
  • @atticusd: EXACTLY. you nailed it on the "generic conceptuals".
  • May be I do not understand anything in collaboration processes in filmmaking :-)

    But I think that it must be pretty similar to normal filmmaking.
    I mean less democracy, more order and results.

    From my poor view you need some order.
    Don't want to interfere, of course. Just some thought.
  • @B3Guy

    Thanks for the words of support. They mean a lot, really.

    Just to check that we are on the same page, would you be okay with this kind of distribution?

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    **2) “Stowaway” (original by @atticusd)**

    **""Specific Plot Elements""**

    * A man who calls himself Peter but doesn’t remember his real name or the tiniest detail of his own past.

    * Peter can jump from one human host to another. He doesn’t know why he has this ability. He doesn’t stay for long in one host or else he screws this person’s life for good.

    * The jumps take him all around the globe. He doesn’t control the destination.

    * At first it’s not clear whether he’s the victim or the villain of the story.

    **""Generic Conceptual Elements""**
    * A person in a perpetual search for himself/herself.

    * A man dealing with ordinary conflicts with extraordinary circumstances in the background.

    * A person with the ability to jump from one human host to another at will.

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    The Generic Conceptual Elements would be used for the next poll and the Specific Plot Elements could come in handy (or not) in a later stage.


  • stuff like "johnny gets hit by a bus" is not really an element, though. that type of thing won't fit with just any story, that's the issue. I think it is better at this point to get to the underlying concepts of stuff like "johnny hit by a bus" and make it something like "an unexpected accident". This could be many things, rather than just getting hit by a bus . . . but it still completely includes getting hit by a bus as one possible concrete option under the larger general concept. (maybe its just semantic that is confusing us, IDK.)

    and this isn't even touching on "1. johnny hit by bus. 2. johnny taken to hospital" - sorry, but this is a main concept, not different elements. separate, they could be elements. but together, they are a VERY specific storyline that certainly is not going to fit with certain other story-lines. we have to stay away from such concrete things in the beginning to allow for collaborative creativity. Just to be clear, we are NOT at this stage at all interested in original author voice. Don't take that the wrong way . . . we'll bring all these more concrete ideas and voices in at a later stage. Right now I'd like to get a bunch of really loose elements together and poll to condense them down to a smaller number of the ones folks are most attracted to . . . the stronger ones. AFTER THAT, we can each reconstitute some of the more concrete ideas, working of course with our generic elements. They'll be there to get the creative juices flowing, etc.

    Do not worry about this not getting of the ground. @atticusd and myself share the same sentiment. I too will see this to completion even if I have to write it myself. But doing this together is more fun (even if a bit slower and more messy), and I think we will end up with a better script by working together.

    oh, and @atticusd don't even talk about unemployed people not being busy. If you are looking for work, it is a full-time job. hope you find good employment soon, I know how not having work can mess things up real fast.

    EDIT:
    Ok, let us redefine our two categories:

    1. PLOT/STORY LINES (anything dictating a concrete plot or scenario)
    2. Generic Conceptual Elements (NO scenarios, NO plot points or progressions. Everything else. These can be parts of storyline/plots, but ONLY ones that have been extracted and generalized to the point where specific plot and storyline are no longer present.)
  • @all
    Sorry for the terrible delay. Being unemployed since last Friday and even though one would think I would have more free time than before it's been the other way around till today.

    @B3Guy @thepalalias @Elenion
    You're welcome guys. THANK YOU for the kind words.

    @B3Guy
    Your explanation makes all the sense in the world. That way it would be far easier for a writer to pick up those elements and make them his own. Only problem I see it’s that by making them extremely generic the original voice of every author goes literally to hell. So I don’t feel comfortable doing that without the express permission of the authors. On the other hand I always thought that the elements are the individual parts of the story (1. Johnny goes out and gets hit by a bus; 2. Johnny is taken to the hospital where he falls in love with a nurse, etc) while the main concepts would be the more generic stuff like theme, tone, etc. I could be wrong though. In any case, it’s just a matter of semantics. No biggie.
    Above all I don’t want to be the picky asshole here. It was your idea after all so if you want me to change all that I can have it ready in a few days. I just want to see this movie made so badly. I’m willing to do everything in my power to accomplish that, including writing the whole thing myself.

    Cheers!
  • Good work guys! I'll try to get up to speed tonight!
  • does my explanation of making the elements extremely "generic" make sense?
  • @atticusd Everything you did with my section seemed to be on track. Thanks.
  • @atticusd
    Thanks for the effort! I think you misunderstood a little my concept but it's ok i corrected it!

    @B3guy
    Ok then i think that atticusd inverted elements and main concepts, mmm
  • yeah, again . . . thanks. I've been tempted several times today while in the depths of writing my exegesis paper to take a brake and check in here, but I pushed thru for a good 7 hours. Like i've said, no real time in the world for me for another week here. But then I'm on Christmas break, and I'll push us thru this and likely the next round (then its off to LA in January . . . so excited!)
  • thanks @aticcusd for your effort :)
  • Great start, @atticusd! I think you've got the right idea, but take it farther. simplify the "elements" even more. make them short and generic, very adaptable. Some of the ones you lay out contain multiple elements, and could possibly be separated, but for the most part, spot on! Just go thru and try and remove any heavy suggestions for "plot" from the elements. Here is an example of how I would brake down my own idea:

    Elements:

    1. Multiple characters connected by having the same name
    2. Main character has flashbacks in which they are “other people”
    3. Painful medical experiments
    4. Main character hunted by secret task forces
    5. Sympathetic scientist character
    6. Traveling consciousness character
    7. A trusted friend becomes enemy
    8. Given an new identity in the end
    9. Set free in the end

    These should be generic snippets only, reformed and easy to implement with any plot or story. They must contain no specific plot or story stipulations. See how I have pulled “elements” out of my script, and successfully separated them from specific plot concepts? They must be very nearly, if not completely universal. This will make it easier to fit together the elements that we all like the most, once we get to the next stage.

    Main concepts:

    1. Peter Smith learns that he has been jumping from body to body, and that he is being hunted, etc. (Lay out the plot.)
    2. (Main Concepts are story LINES, plots, overarching guidelines that are not universally compatible with other story lines or plots. For example, meshing mine with the “occupy Wallstreet” one would be very difficult if not impossible. We will not I think deal with these until AFTER we have surveyed on the “elements”.)
  • The "Elements and Main Concepts" page is now live here: http://www.personal-view.com/our_movies/movie_01:01general:08_elements_and_main_concepts
    Everyone involve in the project should take a look to see if they want to add/suggest anything.

    Special message to the authors ( @thepalalias, @andres, @lolo, @RRRR, @Imaginate, @L1N3ARX, @B3Guy, @Reckless, @Elenion, @RRRR, @Aksel): I've tried to remain as faithful to the original source as possible (a mere copy & paste in some cases) but nonetheless please check if everything is accurate and true to what you wanted to say in the first place.