Media creators and war PR

sebolla

@Lincoln11 so what do you think will happen now that finland and sweden want to join nato?? according on your reasoning putin should attack finland too??

endotoxic

White hats have been previously on bad news, throwing white phosphorus bombs in middle east.

Those piece of shit are the exact opposite from what they say they are.

Also green peace, those mother fuckers are pure human trafficking trading.

Lincoln11

One source with an agenda. One, that has been banned from all Western media so that you can't see it. For Western objectivity, we should not include it? While the Western behemoth lies through all it's channels, you protest this from RT, really?

I don't know garroulus personally, so I would feel presumptuous patting him anywhere. You are welcome to post your articles here, I just started it and continue with what I find. If disagreeing with your representation of events and posting propaganda is jumping on you, hey sorry for the feels. I don't think it's reading that's the problem, it's the selection of sources.

Putin feels threatened by having NATO missiles on his border, he made an issue of this for YEARS. Also 8 years of shelling civilians in the Donbass, NATO now admitting that they've been training and running things in this "sovereign country". Yet suddenly, "he just wants to create a new Soviet empire."

And as far as doing an Iraq I don't think he's done any gold stealing, killed 500,000 children or poisoned the land with depleted Uranium shells yet.

muddmanrich

@Lincoln11 & @garroulus so on one hand we're saying everything from western media is false but then go on to post articles from a source that definitely has it's own agenda.

What makes Putin's reason for attacking Ukraine any less idiotic than the west barging into Iraq or Afghanistan based on claims of "liberation", "WMDs", "Terrorists"? Full access to the Black Sea, the recently discovered oil fields in the east of the country, and the list goes on... yet his reason is Nazis. I see a lot of similarities. Yes, it is proven that there are Neo-Nazis in the Azov battalion that the government turned a blind eye to, because it served their own agenda and enabled them to stay in power. Would the Azov Batallion even be as powerful or tolerated if not for a drawn out war? Does that justify invading a whole country? According to your logic, yes. Does it mean the whole of the Ukraine are Nazis?

It just seems a bit of a circle jerk here with everyone patting themselves on the back for having access to the real truth, while jumping on those of us with questions and telling us to "read more". If we're on this forum, reading Vitalys posts, it's more likely than not that we're well aware that the mainstream media lies to us and feeds us bullshit to build a narrative and have done a fair share of this vague "reading" that you're touting. But thanks for the tip.

Lincoln11

The hits keep on comin'...

https://www.rt.com/russia/553749-white-helmets-tutorials-ukraine/

garroulus

@Eno Yes indeed....good though that here are less to say the same s..t. Maybe seeing the consequences they started to think.

Eno

The counterfeit news propagated non-stop is astonishing!

Lincoln11

It's all becoming clearer as we go along. New boss, same as the old boss.

Lincoln11

Regarding newest outrage on missile explosion at train station in Kramatorsk. Despite conflicting statements from Ukrainian officials, the missle is a Tochka-U, used only by the Ukrainians. Some said the Russians still used the obsolete missile, but Western journalists checked the serial number-it belong to UAF.

Lincoln11

Precedents:

endotoxic

@sebolla

If you read more, you won’t have any doubts.

You can’t tell the truth, cos is something some one else said. The truth is your point of view, and if doubt is yours. Ok then add it to the narrative.

sebolla

there are precedents of lies even from easterns not only from us/nato...the last one?? we'are not going to attack ukraine...(you see,lies come from both sides) indipendents means nothing because you can't know if they have been funding or if they are from a given party or another,they will always tell you that they are indipendent to be credible...i'm from italy and here we have a lot of journalists that are against us or nato,and they can talk on tv,radio,internet...i don't see the same possibility in russia...

Lincoln11

There are precedents of lies, documented and available for review, especially with the US/NATO lies over the last thirty years. Who remembers "viagra gangs", "White Helmets", "WMDs", the list goes on an on.

Independent means sources who are not getting funding and promotion by the mainstream media, state agents or NGO's which clearly have an agenda. Critical or investigative researchers are dismissed as "Russian shills". I'm putting up what I believe are reasonable doubts and valid points. You can evaluate them yourself and find ones that you believe have merit. That's how truth is discovered, not by throwing up your hands because of all the shit that's being thrown at you. I know it sucks, I can remember a time where dissenting voices were allowed. That time is gone.

There are no US mainstream journalists embedded with Azov. There is a reason for this, exemplified by Fox News reporter Benjamin Hall, who lost an eye and some limbs. His colleagues, cameraman Pierre Zakrzewski and fixer Oleksandra “Sasha” Kuvshynova were both killed by Ukrainian fire. If they were killed by Russians you would not hear the end of it. While Patrick Lancaster is embedded with DPR and Russian forces for weeks and safely reports on the ground. Make of that what you will.

And it's important to keep digging around, exactly because you can't trust any source. With all that in mind, here is a clip from a Ukrainian news show interview in 2014 where the subject clearly states that the Russians must be exterminated. It is from the Telegram channel of Xoaquin Flores.

https://t.me/NewResistance/6979

gunlusting

@garroulus its very obvious Russia is defending herself against Nazis in urkraine. Even Zelenky admit it. Urkranians will owe beg debt to Russia once Nazi thugs are purged from urkaine. If USA was doing same like Russia they are hero but since its Russia they are the bad guy.

sebolla

@endotoxic how do you know that the sources you suggest to read are indipendent??how do you know they are telling the truth??i don't trust anyone,there are sources that speaks for the west and sources that speaks for the east,all are side of one party or another... the only thing that you can't deny is that many ukranians are suffering and before 24th febrary they were in peace with some exceptions in donbass,the rest is pure speculation..

garroulus

@gunlusting

Just take it easy my friend... life learned me one very important thing...the truth it's always in between....just don't take only one side, but both and think for yourself...

endotoxic

@sebolla

I think you need to read more. But what I think is of no relevance.

sebolla

i don't know how you can be so sure about the truth...no one can be sure untill the military operacion is running...the proofs can be showed from both sides and unless you are on place and see a soldier throw the bomb you can't tell what is the truth...the only truth here is that many ukranians are suffering and before 24th febrary they were in peace with some exceptions in donbass...

Lincoln11

@gunlusting Every one who has known a pathological liar in their lives knows the one simple rule- accept nothing, verify everything. The mainstream media and it's agenda is so easily spotted now, as the liars have lost any sense of shame. They are all low iq showmen who read lines from a script. To give them any benefit of the doubt is ludicrous to anyone with a modicum of integrity.

It's up to independents now to do any sort of investigation, and even then they will be censored as "disinformation" for not repeating the accepted narrative. Luckily, we here at PV are an international lot. If there is truth that we are passionate about, we all have the skillset and tools to do something about it, or at least to talk to each other.

At @TheAtlantic’s #Disinfo2022 student Christopher Phillips confronted @BrianStelter about how CNN is a “purveyor of disinformation” and “all the mistakes of the mainstream media, and CNN in particular, seem to magically all go in one direction.” Stelter quipped: “Time for lunch” pic.twitter.com/jnJsFWMOLG
— Brent Baker ???????? (@BrentHBaker)
April 7, 2022

gunlusting

I agree your analsis Lincoln 11. US and Ukainian make all the fake story especially USMC who is already making monkey business in Ukaine. Only objective is damage Russia with news and Javlin rockets. Peoples of the world know whats truth.