....a number of those doctors were ER doctors, treating corona patients on a daily basis.

I did not see breakup of this video participants, but previous one had been quite pathetic.

Obviously they use n95 masks at their practice.

Obviously if they mean that they say they should use P100/P3 proper full face masks. Or nothing at all.

I prefer nothing - so they'll die sooner and in bigger numbers.

Rightwing...that's your classification. They were also proponents of hydroxy. Is hydroxy only rightwing ?

HCQ also had been pushed by right wing media, yes.

Issue is that most probably we saw spectacle with both sides trying to cloud our judgement and steal time from proper cure finding. Postmodern style thingy.

Research papers I saw from HCQ proponents had been really poor quality and none of them stood for treatments and proved it efficient still.

We had similar info since April in corresponding topic (where in turn you tried to wrote that masks that are properly sealed can be worn only by idiots)."" is not true. We were referring to respirators, not n95 masks. And I've yet to see one person in public in hundreds of videos with perhaps millions of people around the world who is using a respirator. Not one. I guess the news crew missed you

It is fully true, as we have history of posts, easy to check. Since April I wrote about N95 masks issues with sealing. Well, since two months time I helped to get like 20 half masks to people who wear it each day. And get to your head that thing we talked about is called "half-mask".

Mainstream and other popular media is not depicting all real life. People use to get masks and N95 ones in pharmacies and they do not have 3M stuff, now it is 99% goes into hospitals (at least here it is such). Most popular question I got in last two weeks - where to get one?

Right now you are in schizophrenic position - you do not like sealing and efficiency of N95 masks, but you also do not think you need any mask, and think that wearing proper half mask is beyond possible.

And yes it's probably possible that someone could get infected outside. Someone could also be hit by an asteroid as well. I said the possibility is statistically minuscule.

No, flu related research showed that it is not small probability.

Actually all WHO fight on that methods virus spreads had two goals - save distancing approach and save "no masks on populated street" approach.

The same is true with the flu. We get it from our families, or from cheeky greetings, or from touching infected surfaces.

Touching infected surfaces is less than 1% of flu infections, statistically not important.

Yet authorities are using your perspective to destroy the world's socioeconomic reality, and actually ban people from beaches and parks. Totalitarianism reigns, sadly.

For now idiots reigns, guided by traitors in ruling class. Exactly where "totalitarism" aka efficient proper goal management worked and where enemy agents had been removed from media - all things went good, contrary to US and EU.

@kurth

.a pretty pathetic response...w/o thinking, or perhaps even understanding their point. And they're doctors....you're not.

Almost all (if not 100%) of this doctors have absolutely zero experience in COVID related fields or COVID treatment. They reference complete bullshit stories, like WHO statements that had been long explained as errors and had been made to prevent shortage of protective masks for medical personnel.

Maybe that's how you do it in mordor, hang people voicing their opinion in public, but in the rest of the free world, people are free to form their own opinions based on their personal experience.

May be I need to teach you some US and EU history? Or it had been just words written without turning even single grey cell into working state?

It is not opinions, it is words and statements that have real consequence in hundreds of dead people. This people are US traitors, and must be dealt accordingly, does not matter how they call themselves. All of them must be hanged and people must get good explanation that such will happen with any next group who will try intentionally to kill big number of american people.

99% of people are wearing cloth masks ....which don't do shite, yet this is all the authorities require. This is what they're referring to.

No, they are referring (if you also check sites who spread this video) that you don't need ANY mask. How they are dangerous and how they can't protect from small virus.

And even people who go all the way, using an n95, don't wear it properly....with all sorts of leaks around the edge. I've seen a number of videos of medical personnel taping the perimeter of n95's to be effective.

We had similar info since April in corresponding topic (where in turn you tried to wrote that masks that are properly sealed can be worn only by idiots and COVID is no biggie).

Most of N95 masks are much better than surgical masks considering leaks. But they are all not ideal. Being not ideal they protect extremely well.

Nothing prevented this "fighters for freedom" to properly research the subject and ask to make and distribute good silicon sealed masks with closed filters. But somehow they did opposite - because they are traitors nad ruling class puppets.

And what I've learned about corona is....it infects in closed environments, most of which are private....like within families inside their homes (or nursing homes)...where nobody is wearing a mask, or in work environments where few people will suffer 10 hours using an n95.

You try to pull here info from so called right wing sites, that are sponsored by countries you hate so much - China and Russia. At least ZH had big money flows from Russian government according to leaks in the Russian space around year ago.

Idiotic idea of closed spaces sound kind of nice, but it is horrible shite. As people in families and such close ties are infected outside - in the shop, transport or such. Ones that work in office - are infected in office. And only later they spread virus inside.

I personally refuse to use my n95's longer than an hour. Corona doesn't infect in the open air and wearing a mask outside, unless you're in a crowd...is absurd. The statistical probability of infection outside is minuscule. Chinese studies proved it.

It is also bullshit, where smaller probability is being turned to "doesn't infect". Corona does infect outside, and it had been perfectly proven by flu also. All you need is one guy who will cough near you or you will cross small water droplets from such event. Wind and sun helps, but not very much.

@Vitaliy....a pretty pathetic response...w/o thinking, or perhaps even understanding their point. And they're doctors....you're not. You have zero experience treating corona patients....yes, yes you have all sorts of 'friends' that say this in your pm's. I've heard it all before. Let them speak in public, if so. Maybe that's how you do it in mordor, hang people voicing their opinion in public, but in the rest of the free world, people are free to form their own opinions based on their personal experience. 99% of people are wearing cloth masks ....which don't do shite, yet this is all the authorities require. This is what they're referring to. And even people who go all the way, using an n95, don't wear it properly....with all sorts of leaks around the edge. I've seen a number of videos of medical personnel taping the perimeter of n95's to be effective. You can hear her refer to 'bandanas' as useless. And what I've learned about corona is....it infects in closed environments, most of which are private....like within families inside their homes (or nursing homes)...where nobody is wearing a mask, or in work environments where few people will suffer 10 hours using an n95. Hospitals where corona is treated are the most contagious environments. I personally refuse to use my n95's longer than an hour. Corona doesn't infect in the open air and wearing a mask outside, unless you're in a crowd...is absurd. The statistical probability of infection outside is minuscule. Chinese studies proved it. It's brainwashing people to be compliant fools, like in china where thousands are volunteering for unproven vaccines. and like this.... https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/indoor-sex-ban-tier-2-couples-living-apart-a4571925.html

Mordor news

Medicine is very overloaded. It is very small places in hospitals. Test is very hard to make. Antibiotics absent in sales (thanks to efficient capitalists they did not make ANY reserves, 98% of all domestic production is just repackaging of Indian generics).

Boeing progress

Boeing said Tuesday that it sold no commercial planes in September, and three orders for the grounded 737 Max were canceled.

On top of that, Boeing is dropping orders for 48 more planes because it's not sure that financially troubled airlines will be able to close the deals.

So far this year, orders for 448 Max jets have been canceled and Boeing has dropped another 602 from its backlog because of doubts about the sales.

mRNA based cure that is not vaccine

Scientists of the Institute of Immunology of the Federal Medical and Biological Agency have developed and patented a drug for the treatment of coronavirus infection of the SARS-CoV-2 type (patent No. 2733361). The created tool has a targeted effect on specific areas in the genome of the virus, as a result of which its development in cells is suppressed.

The drug is a combination of synthetic micro-RNAs (miRNAs) that specifically bind to the genomic RNA of the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus according to the principle of complementarity. As a result, the replication of the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus is suppressed by destroying its genome and the mRNA of the ORF1 genes (ORF1a, ORF1b) in the regions encoding the RdRP RNA polymerase and the leader protein nsp1, as well as the SARS-CoV-2 nucleoprotein N gene. That is, the drug specifically turns off the activity of the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus and kills it, and not only affects the symptoms of the disease.

To date, a series of preclinical studies have been completed, confirming the direct antiviral effect of the new drug both in cell culture and using a laboratory animal model. In experiments on infected cells, it was found that the drug blocks the virus by more than 10,000 times compared to the control. In an experimental simulation of SARS-CoV-2 infection in Syrian hamsters, conducted at the 48th Institute of Microbiology of the Ministry of Defense, a powerful antiviral effect of the drug was proven with a highly effective suppression of the SARS-CoV-2 virus in the lungs of animals. At the same time, no toxic effects of the drug were observed.

Not bad news.

Mordor news

Now common diagnosis is the non-hospital pneumonia. For each covid case it is 4 to 7 cases of this (in real life it is all coronavirus).

Most large cities no longer have free hospital beds, many hospitals now treat mostly coronavirus only.

"Good" news

The head of the Gamaleya Center, Alexander Gintsburg, told the media that 10-15% of severely ill patients develop antibodies to interferon, which block not only the secondary immune response, but even the innate immune response.

Such thing is main cause why we never saw in wide use vaccines against any previously existing coronaviruses. All of them caused such problem.

Good times are ahead, just little further ahead

In an interview with NBC news last night, Gates warned that the world "won't return to normal" until "a lot of people" take a second "super-effective" coronavirus vaccine that could be years away.

"The only way we’ll get completely back to normal is by having, maybe not the first generation of vaccines, but eventually a vaccine that is super-effective, and that a lot of the people take, and that we get the disease eliminated on a global basis," said Gates.

Expectation is 4-5 years, at least.

HCQ war continues

Hydroxychloroquine does not counter SARS-CoV-2 in hamsters

To test the efficacy of the vaccine and antivirals preclinically, the researchers use hamsters. The rodents are particularly suitable for SARS-CoV-2 research because the virus replicates itself strongly in hamsters after infection. Moreover, hamsters develop a lung pathology similar to mild COVID-19 in humans. This is not the case with mice, for example.

Treatment with hydroxychloroquine had no impact: the virus levels did not decrease and the hamsters were still infectious. "Despite the lack of clear evidence in animal models or clinical studies, many COVID-19 patients have already been treated with hydroxychloroquine," explains Joana Rocha-Pereira. "Based on these results and the results of other teams, we advise against further exploring the use of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment against COVID-19."

A high dose of favipiravir, however, had a potent effect. A few days after the infection, the virologists detected hardly any infectious virus particles in the hamsters that received this dose and that had been infected intranasally. Moreover, hamsters that were in a cage with an infected hamster and had been given the drug did not develop an obvious infection. Those that had not received the drug all became infected after having shared a cage with an infected hamster.

https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/125380/prices-of-remdesivir-and-favipiravir-being-monitored-in-india-says-report/

Time to kill small ones in US also

Closure of small food business is very good for people - 41% drop in gastrointestinal infections

And it is not just because people avoid going to hospitals, sales of appropriate medications also dropped sharp.

Most of such businesses that I saw inside are horrible from infections pov, lot of them try to sell or reuse old unsold cooked food.

Capitalist France medicine

A significant number of French nurses responding to a poll say they are tired and fed up, with 37% saying that the pandemic is making them want to change jobs. The poll published Sunday by the National Order of Nurses comes as infection rates soar across the country.

43% felt that “we are not better prepared collectively to respond to a new wave of infections”, according to the poll. The figure rises to 46% for nurses in the private domain. About two-thirds of respondents say their working conditions have deteriorated since the start of the crisis.

For 37% of the nurses responding, the crisis “makes them want to change jobs” and 43% “don’t know if they will still be nurses in five years”, according to the poll.

People are just screws, being fully alienated from their job sometimes, and with their bosses caring about their income, but not conditions and proper measures.