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Samsung NX1, $1300 4K flagman
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  • https://bugbase.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=bug&id=3650828

    Hey guys please send a comment to Adobe to get them to support h265.

  • For what it is worth, [... it refers to mirrorless cameras]

    "Samsung Electronics’ smart camera NX1 was named as the best camera by the U.S. consumer magazine Consumer Reports.

    Consumer Reports recently evaluated the quality of a total of 33 [mirrorless] cameras and extended the highest scores of 78 to Samsung’s NX1, giving it an excellent grade.

    The NX1 gained the highest score in the categories of video, usability, LCD performance, and viewfinder. Particularly in the categories of video quality, low illumination photo, shutter speed and battery running time, the NX1 gained thumbs-up from Consumer Reports."

    http://www.koreaittimes.com/story/44779/samsung-nx1-named-best-camera

  • Some people have noticed noise reduction problem in UHD mode, it smears fine detail in many areas of the video in low light, and indeed, some details are washed away even at low ISO, the GH4 retains really more détails (but also noise inevitably).

    I hope Samsung will offer us the possibility to really control the NR soon, i prefer a bit of noise than washed away details.

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  • +1 on @brianl proper review and testing.

  • @DrDave There are certainly enough rumors out there suggesting a price drop. I love the thing. I'm coming mainly from GH2s. So if you're from a similar reference, you will appreciate it. I read an interesting comment that the skew in 1080p is greatly reduced. This is something I'll test soon and report on here. Skew in general is something I've not had a big issue with but nonetheless, there are times when skewlessness is a big advantage.

  • but I would love it if a company like Samsung, or anyone else, would build a 4 channel, 24 bit recorder into the cam--Samsung has the R&D to do it. Hoping the price drops on this cam before the summer.....

    It does not require much R&D, all it requires is copy and enhance Sony xlr-k2m, use existing digital connection (they can use compression inside adapter if it is not enough for 4 channels) and update firmware.

  • @brianl my point was that a digital connection would bypass the internal, low quality ribbon connectors on any kind connector. However, my experience, fwiw, is that the connector itself makes no difference at all, it is how it is soldered. OF course I use XLRs on my Tascam 680, but I would love it if a company like Samsung, or anyone else, would build a 4 channel, 24 bit recorder into the cam--Samsung has the R&D to do it. Hoping the price drops on this cam before the summer.....

  • So yes, I'm surprised in that the camera has been out long enough for some quality reviews and yet it's pretty bleak.

    Things you ask is costly to do properly (also needs proper testing procedures and experience) and require guys with good knowledge (who are also not cheap).

  • dynamic range, rez charts, incidence of moire/aliasing, skew issues in different formats, color accuracy (beyond "looks great!) audio quality, audio functionality/agc, motion signature assessments, low light capability (wildly varying opinions on this one), comparisons (side by side) to competitors like GH4. If such things are mentioned, It's always in the most cursory manner. Example: I watched a long video review by highly regarded testers, their test of skew amounted to a 2 second clip of a handheld shot walking past the corner of an office building. They proudly announced "Skew minimal!" Well guess what, in 4k mode, there's A LOT of skew!

    That kind of stuff. I find the reviews so far highly subjective. Things like "It feels really good in my hand". That sounds like something you'd say about fondling a hooker's tits.

    There are also reviews that are obsessively negative, and other that do nothing but fawn over the thing.

    None of this really relates to me, I've already bought into the system and like it a lot. I also don't have the techy acumen or time to conduct a proper dynamic range test or such. But I've observed many people have the skill set and TIME to do such things and yet they never seem to bother with the NX1. That's puzzling because as this review does state, the NX1 has a great spec sheet that one would think would have the techies scrambling to test it out.

    So yes, I'm surprised in that the camera has been out long enough for some quality reviews and yet it's pretty bleak. Hopefully part II of DPreview will ramp up the game. I like that website when the users aren't fighting each other. It's all fun and games for me, as I've said, I've already invested in the camera. But for those trying to make an informed purchase, I don't think I've seen a review yet that seemed particularly informative or accurate. As always, YMMV>.

  • @brianl

    What kind of tests/details you wanted?

  • Another throw away review. I have yet to read a review that seemed to reflect the reality of this camera. I'm a little slanted because I do 90% video and video is routinely glossed over by these reviewers with the now obligatory comment bemoaning the lack of h265 support and other useless comments. Adam Wilt please?

  • Updated today: "Samsung NX1 First Impressions Review updated with shooting experience" on dpreview:

    http://www.dpreview.com/previews/samsung-nx1/6

    Author's conclusion:

    "Like me, I suspect a lot of our readers have never used a Samsung DSLR. (See, there I go calling it a DSLR again...) I wasn't quite sure what to expect, but I had high expectations based of the spec sheet. For the most part I have to say that the NX1 really impressed me. It basically tries to out-spec everything else in its class and makes a very good impression in the process. Our full review will evaluate it's true performance side-by-side against established class leaders, but if you find the feature set of the NX1 attractive you owe it to yourself to give it a try. You might be surprised."

  • @ninetto

    Might be shooting a drummer with this anamorphic setup later today.

    http://www.amazon.com/Fotasy-NXFD-Samsung-Mirrorless-Adapter/dp/B004HI4PPC/

    FD Lenses sit very close to the body, making them work very well with the camera.

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  • @ geoffcbasset "-Adapted Canon FD mount lenses balance very well."

    What adapter and which Canon FD are you using? Focus behaving well - i.e. infinity etc ? I would love to see some 4K shot on some Canon FDs as I have quite a few...

    best regards, ninetto

  • XLR's have a much more positive and reliable connection than 1/8 mini jacks. I've had zero issues with them in 15 years. Cannot say that about less robust connectors.

  • It's true that a digital connection would be better. The so called "pro" xlrs are connected internally with ribbons, and the wires inside these are not only not shielded, they are way thinner than a cheap 1/8" cable.

  • I suggest Samsung to make something like Sony xlr-k2m. They have small mike that transfer audio vide digital connection on hotshoe,so, it is possible. Sony smart shoe is more advanced, but anyway.

    Sounds awesome. Haven't heard of those.

  • well. Most common audio issue is bad cabling. DR60 will keep you locked into heavy duty xlr cables across your entire audio path. I never bother with flimsy unreliable 1/8" mini jacks, or on a related beat, hdmi.

    I suggest Samsung to make something like Sony xlr-k2m. They have small mike that transfer audio vide digital connection on hotshoe,so, it is possible. Sony smart shoe is more advanced, but anyway.

  • I too use Tascam dr60 for double system sound. I'd encourage others to go this route as well. Most common audio issue is bad cabling. DR60 will keep you locked into heavy duty xlr cables across your entire audio path. I never bother with flimsy unreliable 1/8" mini jacks, or on a related beat, hdmi. The decks are so cheap now and so compact and the syncing so easy.

  • I'm really hoping that Samsung continues to listen to the community and pushing out firmware. But I guess this is what you get for being an early adopter.

    I think it is not hard change, so could be in next firmware if they still have good amount of people working on it.

  • @DMZ

    Sorry if i came off a bit harsh but i'm just disappointed that a $1500 camera has this kind of noise in the recordings. There's no excuse for it. I often find myself in shooting situations where i need to be lightweight and fast and my external audio solution is not an option. I'm really hoping that Samsung continues to listen to the community and pushing out firmwares. But i guess this is what you get for being an early adopter.

  • @Angry_C: Using external sound recording solves the issue with internal AGC. If you do not want to use external recording, then the only options I see is to wait for the fix or get different camera. Honestly, I think that remembering to push an extra button is not too much inconvenience considering what benefits you get for it. Practice makes master. (Yes, I read your old posts back then.)

    @Brother: Yes, I read your discussion. In the first part of my post, I "put it in a perspective," and then I stated that Samsung should, and I am confident that will, address this issue. And I did address your previous post in my first few sentences (Did you read my post? :))

    DR 60 and NTG-1 is a good, popular option. I am using DR-680, NTG-1 and -3, studio mikes, and a bunch of lavs and boundary mikes. All mikes in a proper placement off-camera. My use is mainly for interviews and group talks. I am not an expert but I did take time to research the topic before buying my sound equipment to compliment my GH3, which is now my B camera to NX1.

    Sorry if I unintentionally offended someone with my opinion, I did not mean to.

  • Obviously this is a well worn path, but for many of us the audio in the camera would not be usable no matter how it is configured. OTOH, why not have it be linear?

  • @DMZ

    Did you even read our discussion? Your'e missing the point. I'm not saying that the audio is bad. I'm saying that there is a function that should be disabled, or at least that users can disable it themselves. My Tascam DR-60 and 2 x Rode NTG-2 records pretty good audio but hey, thanks for the audio lesson.