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2K BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera, active m43, $995
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  • @davidefilm

    Footage looks good but the micro jitters are just way too bad. I know you wanted the handheld voyeur type stuff but better to use a shoulder rig and then add more movement in post. Also is my internet messed up or did you raise the SS there?

  • @vicharris Your footage looks great. What project is it, looks promising. I wish I could have an resonable neutral starting point for grading, now it's just damage control.

    @GMC Interesting to hear that you got the same problem. I find it strange that there's not more complaints about it. It must be a lot of other people who are using the bmpcc indoors with these kind of lamps, doing stuff when they have to rely on the exisiting light. Why isn't forums flooded with red damaged footage? I got an early copy of the camera, what about you? Could it be some kind of sensor calibration problem (I have no clue what I'm talking about, just guessing). Or could it be because of the bulbs are not full spectrum? But then again a lot of other people would have the same problem.

  • @jrd Makes sense and seems consistent with the tests.. Thanks!

  • @RRRR somewhere I have read that the sensor is a dual gain sensor? This would explain different dynamic range at different ISO. In my experience, iso1600 further increases latitude, but at the expense of noise.

  • @alfaerik I'm experiencing the same problem you are describing, only under household bulbs - those new, shitty EU energy saving bulbs. It is almost impossible to recover good colors. Everything has a strong pink reddish cast like your pictures show. My GH2 does not show this. Also RAW does not help, it's the same.

  • @RRRR

    In film mode, highs clip at the same point, regardless of ISO -- you'll just clip at, say, 80 or 90%, instead 100, if you use a value lower than 800. So there's really no sense in using 200 or 400, you just lose DR, by cramming the data into a smaller space -- although images can often be graded with less adjustment if they're shot at lower ISOs, which makes those settings preferable for some.

    1600 will bring up the shadows, but at the expense of a stop at the highlights. That might be worth it, depending.

    In RAW film mode, the ISO is changeable in post, so it's really just the way you're rating the meter. Some people use 400, as a way of automatically overexposing by a stop (or "exposing to the right", if you prefer).

  • Hey! I wonder if anyone has done extensive ISO tests (prores) on the bmpcc? I did a very quick and dirty one when I was supposed to shoot some s16 lens tests (though adapter failure put an end to my plans). What surprised me, was that the highs didn't seem affected at all by changing iso in camera. Latitude looked at it's peak at 800, 1600 just lifted (perhaps curved) blacks further, diminishing range a little bit and blacks were lowered at 400... Range diminishing quite a bit at 200.

    Meanwhile I used the same aperture throughout the range, to preserve a similar amount of highlights. Mind, I haven't peaked on the footage under scopes, been way too busy yet to get to it.

    I don't know, I haven't updated the firmware so it might be a firmware issue or a phenomenon subject to my particular camera.

    Any in depth takes on this would be greatly appreciated.

  • Hi all thought you might be interested in a bit of a "Western" Look from "Down Under in this SLR MAGIC ANAMORPHOT 1,33 X - 50, the SLR Magic CINE II 35mm T1.4 lens Test (boy thats a mouthful!) on the Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera (another mouthful)

  • @vicharris Perfect description. 1981 movie Body Heat came to mind - similar look. Yes, I've watched way too many movies.

  • @matt_gh2

    Thanks Matt. I actually didn't do too much to it. It was lit well. I used the Kodachrome LUT that was going around. I love that thing for a real film like look, dense and dirty.

  • @vicharris Great shot and killer grade. Shadow looks interesting. Seems like one hell of a scene too.

  • @kholi why 400 ISO instead of 800?

  • @Alfaerik

    Here man. Before/After. Most lighting at 3200K. Some small kickers at 5600k but not much at all. And this was actually before we had the Hoya IR cut filters available.

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    1080 x 608 - 118K
  • Yeah, I stick to RAW in that studio now. Or just shoot on the GH2, honestly, since it's talking head stuff for the web. Looks fine as-is.

  • If you're running into color issues, I'd likely try a few things (not saying any will work)

    • 4500K to neutralize balance
    • IR CUT (Hoya)
    • 400 ISO (try to avoid 1600)
    • Shoot RAW.

    I've really never shot ProRes on the Pocket Camera, always RAW, so haven't seen that issue.

  • I've had similar problems getting the color back to something neutral/pleasing shooting BMPCC prores w/ daylight balanced Kinos in a studio.

    No problems at all with the same setup filming with a GH2 instead.

    And - oddly enough - also no problems whatsoever shooting the BMPCC in raw in the same setting. It's just prores that really struggles for some reason. I was able to grade it back for the most part, but it was not easy and the results were not what I would've preferred.

    Not using any IR cut on the lenses, but I don't see how the other cameras/modes would be fine and prores would be a disaster. WB was set to 5000k, perhaps I could try a little warmer or cooler and see if it's any better.

    Anyway, that's my experience.

  • @vicharris @Alfaerik Thanks, guys, for taking a gander. Beer time now after last nights edit crunch.

  • @lunalobo75 Looks good to me man.

    @Alfaerik Maybe so. I would say I'd go shoot some stuff really quick but I destroyed my Pocket Cam and it's on it's way in for an exchange. I'll try to dig up some old 3200K stuff. It shouldn't be that red.

  • @vicharris Could it be something wrong with my camera since I encounter it a lot? It turns out like this with Ir-cut filter and white balance at 3200 for warm indoor light.

    @lunalobo75 Looks great!

  • Hey Guys, let me know if any of you are getting a gamma shift/washed out with my video.

    Looks great on the Iphone and Tablet, but I notice on my desktop it's a bit desaturated with greyed blacks. Anyways, shot this puppy with the BMPCC and the GH2 (Moon T7); I'd say a 60/40 split with the Gh2/BMPCC Lenses used: Voigtlander 17.5mm, Canon FD 50mm, switar 10mm. I'm in no way a colorist, and the original intention was just a BTS video for a photographer's shoot (had a lot of 3-shots with the models and photog), but last minute they wanted me to turn it into a music video - Oy! So I scrounged to find a story. I know, some shots are blown out. I'll take the slacking for it.

  • Everything points to the bulbs being used. Myself, like many others that have shot a lot on this camera have never come across this. The camera shoots great footage with tungsten bulbs.

    @spacewig.
    That's messed up man! :)

  • I think I've identified the problem: The sensor is struggling to figure out if the subject is a man or a woman.

  • @grierdill

    Have you tried the same comparison shooting RAW, so there's no baked-in color temperature? There can be big surprises if (for example) you perform a custom balance with another camera, even when the only lighting sources are tungstens, i.e., 3200K is not the actual color of the light or it's far more mixed than the eye would suggest.

  • @jrd - I was just using normal house hold tungsten and CFL bulbs for the test. The CFLs were rated at 5000k I think. Generally I'm fine with this as brighter, daylight balanced CFLs are becoming more readily available, but it will take a bit more work to get that nice, blue edge light, or night time mood lighting if you're already using daylight bulbs as your key.

  • @grierdill

    What lights are you comparing? By "normal" tungsten do you mean standard household bulbs? Are the CFLs 5000k household bulbs?