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Panasonic G6 topic, GH2 replacement camera
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  • Agreed!

    And a hacked GH3! (headphone jack!)

  • @nac It really depends on what you value in your images. With a hacked GH2, you'll see less mud and smoother motion in the finer details of scenes with a lot of movement. But arguably the stock G6 image can still be nicer, depending on the conditions. The image has less contrast, smoother highlights and shadows, and less yellow shift. Not to mention that the image can be made much flatter and the shadows are more liftable, which helps if shooting for the grade in certain lighting conditions.

    But all that said, I think we can all agree that a hacked G6 is what we want.

  • @nac, some of those clips were interlaced. THat's a whole different nut to crack.

  • @nac .....on julians posted video comparison of the g6 and gh2, I saw mud in the moving water next to the ship. On cameralabs venetian water, it looked so much cleaner. Give me an example.

  • A hack is not an overnight thing. Look at the GH3. And there's no guarantee that Vitality will make the camera a priority yet. Maybe once Vitality has cracked the GH3 case, his experience will make it easier to get access to the G6 encoding. We'll see.

  • @vicx Hopefully there will be issues with the wifi :-)

  • Agree, with the low bit rate the G6 will never replace my GH2. I have looked at all the samples posted, and as soon as there is any movement, forget it.

  • G6 needs hack as does a bunch of other panasonic cameras with good hardware. Am I understanding that public firmware is essential to hacks. Does that mean we need to find bugs to report so that these new cameras receive firmware updates. Maybe we can complain that certain lens focuses too slow or something like that or the zoom speed is wrong. Anything to get a firmware update?

  • ...I'm far more interested in what ya'll think of the samples ...than the grip. The grip won't make a difference if the camera isn't shooting good video !

  • The grip does look more substantial.

    But a negative for the G6 is media in the bottom battery compartment. It's nice to have it mounted on something (like my battery grip) and I can still swap out media as needed.

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  • "The G6 is impressively small, but pleasantly chunky thanks to a large contoured hand grip."

    I think it is their way to say that it is small but usable :-)

    Both GH2 and G6 are too small for camera in mans hands.

  • @Cde,

    At the same time, the two reviews above (respectively) write about a nice beefy grip: " It's a comfortable fit in the hand, with a contoured grip that's much more substantial than most CSCs offer"

    " the G6 is styled like a mini DSLR with a decent sized grip and viewfinder head"

    And DPreiew noted: "The G6 is impressively small, but pleasantly chunky thanks to a large contoured hand grip."

    Mathematically, it is a few mm smaller in every dimension, but the issue I have with the GH2 is holding it. My hand have so little to grasp. So these reports of a beefier grip bode well to solve that problem for me. Of course, I will need to actually hold it to be sure.

    I bought a 3rd party vertical grip/battery holder just to give me more finger space on my GH2.

    My older Cann SX20 is considerably smaller than my GH2, but the grip holds 4 AA batts so it's fatter & rounder. MUCH easier to hold than my GH2.

  • also....the g6 has timelapse, stopmotion, sweep panorama, a new processor , and cost new ( with a warranty) what a gh2 cost used, bought from who knows who ....which could break tomorrow ! I downloaded 4 of the cameralabs samples and generally think they look good. Some moire in those venetian columns.

  • @IEBA1

    The G6 is smaller and lighter than a GH2, so 'more compact' would actually be a point for it.

  • Thank you for those. A couple real useful clips there, this one in particular:

    I was able to lift the gamma to 2.0 and there is some blotchiness in the black of the backpack, but the amount of detail it kept, especially considering how dark the source material is far, far better than the GH2, at least to my eyes.

    So, the G6 is: cheaper than a used GH2, 1080p60, easier to hold/use, focus peaking, more audio control (don't know if internal audio is actually better quality though), WiFi control & transfer, better still images, OLED viewfinder, Higher resolution LCD, better darks in video

    The GH2 is: possibly less moire, hackable for higher bitrates, more compact, physical focus selection dial,

    No headphone jack on either. :\

    I wonder how the battery life compares.

  • Interesting that Expert Reviews said the MPEG-4 mode is sharper than the AVCHD.

  • ..and cameralabs has 6 downloadable vimeo samples

    http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Panasonic_Lumix_DMC_G6/

  • One area where the GH2 wipes the floor with the D800 is moire and aliasing. Here's my comparison video for that. Be sure to see it at 1080p.

  • GH2 was stock at that point if I recall correctly. It was seeing how badly the GH2 performed that led me to hack it, and the comparison with the Nikon P7700 (previously linked) demonstrated that the darks didn't improve much with the higher data rate on the GH2. It's the image processing that's obliterating the detail before it reaches the compression engine. So gobs more data doesn't really help.

  • IEBA1-> interesting tets. did you use gh2 stock or hacked?

  • @nac I agree that it's not a fair comparison- in either direction. The GH2 has way better sharpness (my article shows that with some still pulls from video, compared to still resolution) and the GH2 has way less moire and aliasing. The GH2 has much better image control and lets you control the image how you see fit (the D800 won't allow shutter priority in video). So I was shocked to see the incredible amount of detail the D800 preserved in the darks compared to the GH2.

    So, in many ways, the GH2 simply blows away the D800 for video. In one way, the D800 blows away the GH2.

    I'm hoping the G6 can at least do better than the GH2. Maintain that detail in the darks so it's recoverable, without screwing up resolution, moire, aliasing, and all the other GH2 advantages.

  • @oscillian Butt is Adam mada...Just a hunch :-)

  • @Butt isn't that the guy who shoots with a GH2 and fools people into thinking he's trying out new cameras?