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2K BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera, active m43, $995
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  • @tinyrobot You meant a fast ultra wide angle native m43 lens with image circle large enough to cover BMPCC effective sensor size? Good luck.

  • I'm hoping that someone will make a fast 8mm in m43 or a 12mm FF because if they do, every Pocket Camera owner will want one.

  • @vicharris oh GOTCHA, I thought you meant the 12/1.6 and 0.95. My bad, read that out of context.

    Personally, I think it'll just be better to grab fast glass, but can't really say that until the Speedbooster finally shows its face... which is beginning to sound like never.

  • @kholi I wasn't talking about the SLR. I'm well aware about the mounts on lenses. I was simply given random fstop numbers as examples of shallow DOF which I actually try to avoid because I see that crap all day long from everyone with a DSLR.

  • +1. The idea about using it as run-n-gun style baffles me. It seems viable only for those who already have a rig setup.

  • Hey, look: a 16mm film cam that shoots raw for under a grand is a STEAL. I just need to get a 3mm lens for wide shots, and a MOVI rig for the Jello, and I'm set. :)

    Speaking of Jello. It's pretty bad on the BMCC and this thing is even smaller, and lighter. [which usually translates into more jitter and vibration as there is less weight to compensate pitch, yaw, roll] so I'm thinking a cage or heavier rig of some type will be essential, so factor that into your costs when picking this thing up, unless you already have all that.

  • @vicharris --

    12/1.6 wont' work with the speedbooster, it's MFT already. xP

  • @eyeiaye if your main goal is low light without adding light to the scene:

    malls and restaurants, building windows and streets with post lamps have enough light to shoot with 1600 iso at f1.4 to f2.8, but...

    There will be situations in which you will become hungry for 6400 or 12800 iso. So, consider buy this camera and a Nikon D5200 as a B camera because it can deliver good results in high iso after small denoise and it is not so much expensive as 5d3. Also D5200 can use Flaat profiles with 11 fstops DR results, no moire/aliasing and good resolution after small sharpening in post.

    Try yourself go shoot with yout actual camera and set it to 1/30, 1.4, 1600 and see what you get in places you want to shoot... if it is enough, BMPC will be enough. Do not forget to try some clandle shoots as I did in the "no light" test with the GH2.

  • Enough that by deleting all the DNG files I freed up over 8 TB of drive space last week.

    So like five minutes of footage?

  • Wouldn't the addition of the speed booster to open up your glass even more make it almost impossible to keep focus on anything? If you're shooting everything at 2,1.6 or even .95 would that be insane or does the fact that it's a S16 sensor increase your DOF at those fast Fstops the booster would put you at? Not sure how all that math would work out there, thank you Florida public school system! :)

  • Applause for early adopters. Brevity... that's all I can say after being baffled...

  • Perfect!

    I saw this video on vimeo.

    This looks great to my eyes in low light for the type of work that I will be aiming to make.

    I have 2 questions with this video.

    1) Will the low light be different on the cine from the original BMC shot in 2.5k 2) Will I be able to achieve similar DOF shown in this video on the sensor?

    Thanks so much!

  • Probably will be ok up to 1600iso with some noise reduction. The 13 stops of dynamic range only helps if there is 13 stops in the shot. If you shoot in a dark room, you'll get a dark room. The next time I buy a dslr will be to only shoot stills. Exciting times.

  • Does anybody have any guesses how this thing will shoot indoors without a light kit?

    I am planning on using speed-booster, a fast lens and shooting in RAW. I would like to avoid giving my money to cannon for an overpriced 5d3.

    Thoughts?

  • BMD is creating cameras with that "LOOK" that DSLR shooters have begged for for years, and they are creating them to shoot RAW, 1080-4K, great DR, and at an affordable price. It will have pros and cons now, and one would have to assume they are paying attention to customer/user feedback. Within 2 years of making cameras, they have already make a major impression, give them 3-5 more years, and then we should debate their products cons. BMD Cameras are NOT designed for everyone, or every need, but damn they have a nice image.

  • @shian

    I thought so. It would be strange for someone to get truly upset over being asked to further elaborate, or to discuss -- in a friendly fashion, a statement delivered as fact.

    It's clear that quite a number of people will migrate, or add a camera to their arsenal, personally I don't see anything wrong with cross-checking each other so that everyone benefits from accurate data... or as accurate as it can be on the internet.

  • I forgot to put a smiley face after douche :)

  • @shian Ah, see you edited your post for clarity:

    • Clearly, you have not worked with this sensor. You won't be pulling as much usable data from the shadows as you might think. [edited cuz kholi pointed out my extreme finality of my declarative statement. For once he has a point, but is still a colossal douche] But you will be able to pull from the highlights. Unless BMD has fixed the way they encode the DNGs, you'll want to meter your DR, make sure you can fit it in your 13 stops, make any adjustments lighting wise to do so, and then expose for your shadows.

    There's ample detail in the lower end, down to the last existing stop. It, like most cameras, would require noise reduction to become adequate if one did need that information, but it's there. That was my point.

    Edit here: and I didn't see your following post.

    There's still a lot of misunderstanding about Blackmagic's approach to linear data, how it pertains to highlights (and the misuse of the term blown out right now), and shadow. But, I guess this probably isn't the thread to dispel things in.

  • I pick up weird red noise patterns if I try to boost the shadows too much. happens in AE, Resolve, and Photoshop. You can get a little back but not as much as you can get back from the highlights. And edited that post to say "not as much as you think"

  • @shian

    Was that from your test?

    I'm curious, in a friendly way, because some of what you're saying doesn't actually line up with my experience and most of the people that I know what have been using the camera on a job-to-job basis. Saying that you can't pull any detail from the shadows, I think you may have been short, but if you've worked with enough footage from various shoots and from people that actually understand the tool, I can't imagine you would believe that.

    Then again, perhaps it's just "taste" being stated as a fact, which happens.

  • Enough that by deleting all the DNG files I freed up over 8 TB of drive space last week.

  • @shian

    To date, how much Blackmagic footage have you worked with, and how much of it was shot by someone that's spent an extensive amount of time with the camera? Just curious, I haven't been around on the forums much here, but since the announcement I've read a lot of posts from you, it sounds like you've got a lot of hours behind the wheel.

  • Clearly, you have not worked with this sensor. You won't be pulling as much usable data from the shadows as you might think. [edited cuz kholi pointed out my extreme finality of my declarative statement. For once he has a point.] But you will be able to pull from the highlights. Unless BMD has fixed the way they encode the DNGs, you'll want to meter your DR, make sure you can fit it in your 13 stops, make any adjustments lighting wise to do so, and then expose for your shadows.

  • @manstok "I can remember the wow factor I had when editing my first raw photograph and thought I will never use compressed .. settings"

    yes, and my immense relief at being able to pull usable images out of the shadows...

  • Isn't it funny how we buy a camera for one thousand dollars just for fun? :-)