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Driftwood - Experimental Series 2: Low Rider, Cluster v8, V9, Intravenus II, GH3onaGH2, AN, Boom
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  • BurnetRhoadesBurnetRhoades

    @matt_gh2 This is going back and running some un-patched, virgin GH2 footage.

  • matt_gh2matt_gh2

    @BurnetRhoades Thanks for checking. What hack setting was footage shot with?

  • BurnetRhoadesBurnetRhoades

    @matt_gh2 I can confirm, running the latest Adobe updates for CS6, Windows version still produces "digital rain" when using the MTS files directly for rendering :(

  • rajamalikrajamalik

    @GravitateMediaGroup the studio inlight is kind of dark yellow that's why. I graded it a bit didn't remove any colors from original instead did an exposure adjustment and slight color enhancements. App iMovie.

  • GravitateMediaGroupGravitateMediaGroup

    @rajamalik why does it look orange?

  • rajamalikrajamalik

    -Panny 14-140 lens, Intravenus II cinema smooth matrix, Slight grading, low light test ISO 500, had a bit noise, few shots recorded moire on microphone metal fsh, noise seems little above normal- ( its experimental so lets hope for better final version,reverted back to Canis )

  • zserozsero

    Hi,

    @rean, the developer of a new video import and 4:4:4 upsampling tool joined the forum and he's looking for some high-bitrate out of camera MTS files for testing his tool. Can you share some MTS file with him?

    Also, I think it's a perfect opportunity to share with him any files which produce "diagonal rain", since his tool might be able to get rid of them for good.

    http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/5909/windmotion-upsampling-to-444

    Do you know any other thread where people might have problematic clips with strange artifacts? I've only been following this one.

  • thougts2ukthougts2uk

    What is the difference between Cluster X and Intravenus I and Intravenus II? And which one yields the highest quality picture with the most latitude or detail to grade?

  • BurnetRhoadesBurnetRhoades

    I'll have to give that a looksee. To be honest, it was at least two or three weeks since my last render where I passed non-transcoded MTS through the Adobe pipe. If they fixed the problem, halleluja! No more 10X tedium passes to make!

  • matt_gh2matt_gh2

    For those experiencing the diagonal digital rain problem, it would be interesting to hear if you've done the latest updates to CS6, and whether or not that fixed the problem for you.

  • matt_gh2matt_gh2

    @Aashay That's interesting about update because I'm on creative cloud and they also push out updates to users, and I do the updates. My footage is better now too...but at the same time i've also switched from unhacked GH2 to using Apoaclypse now Boom v1. After reviewing a few threads on this site along with some comments made on other sites I think it's 3-4 things:

    1) Certain settings (like Flowmotion) are more prone than others to display the diagonal digital rain. (Usually seen in underexposed shots) A decent number of people have fixed it by switching to other settings. 2) these settings that have problems, usually see the problems when using Adobe CS6 (both windows and mac), with some in CS5 and FCP.Mostly in CS6 however. 3) Various solutions have arisen that all involve transcoding of footage (and some have good luck combing that with transferring Prem Pro projects to After Effects for final render/export)(read the various threads for specifics).That is the good news: EVERYONE CAN KEEP USING THEIR FAVORITE SETTINGS...SOME JUST REQUIRE TRANSCODING. 4) and now your idea is worth checking out by those whose favorite settings have caused them to need to transcode. Hopefully you're correct, because a single update to CS6 is easiser than transcoding all footage.

    I mention all this as summary for everyone, but also to you because it may NOT be the CS6 update that solved it for you...it could possibly be that you switched to a different setting that wasnt affceted by this issue. Therefore, until the cause is definitley known, I would check your footage, particularly when switching to new settings and particulal with underexposed shots.

    I will be reviewing my Boom footage to check for diagonal rain this weekend and report results. Although I noticed nothing while editing I didn't really take a good look(everything looked good and I forgot about the issue). I will do this now, because it's also possible that instead of some settings being immune...it may be true that it affects all settings...but in some settings like Boom it may merely just be less noticeable. So I will look closely at my Boom footage and I suggest others do the same.

    Bottom line: problem is definitely fixable.

  • AashayAashay

    I used to get that diagonal rain thing as well but after updating Adobe it seems to have disappeared. But since you guys are still encountering it, I guess I have just been lucky. @driftwood, along with all the wonderful settings you give us for different conditions, Is there a specific workflow you would also recommend for Windows/Adobe users?

  • chauncychauncy

    @BURNETTrhoades I'm sure we'll get yelled at for off topic. But I can render from 5dtorgb to prores, but only 422HQ. That plays back perfectly in quicktime and in Media player classic. If prores 422(not HQ) then it converts but won't play back properly.

    How on earth can I convert to prores hq??

    on Win 7 x64

  • BurnetRhoadesBurnetRhoades

    :)

    I've been waiting a long time for an appropriate time to use that...and remember to, lol.

  • vicharrisvicharris

    @BurnetRhoades Good Bill and Teds pull there!

  • BurnetRhoadesBurnetRhoades

    Not a problem. I think the only trick here is using 5DtoRGB. I've been using it on my Windows machine to go back and re-output a video I'd already rendered with the "rain" in it.

    Don't ask me how but it's letting me write to ProRes. I'd gone through already and done DNxHD but a handful of these clips developed cruddy yellow pixels as soon as I changed my working space in AfterEffects to 32bit (did the same in 16bit, no matter the colorspace profile). So I went back and saved the offending files out as ProRes422HQ (on Windows 5DtoRGB!) and they're artifact free. Weird.

    I didn't fully trust that these were "real" ProRes but I just looked and the Quicktime Pro player is confirming they're indeed ProRes, even though it all happened on my Windows side.

    Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.

  • matt_gh2matt_gh2

    @BurnetRhoades Will check my Apoc Now Boom footage this weekend. If I see diagonal rain, I'll PM to discuss further and get quick workflow advice. Thanks

  • BurnetRhoadesBurnetRhoades

    @matt_gh2 Indeed, it's the diagonal rain. It's not a patch issue as it's shown up in virtually all of my pre-patched, stock firmware GH2 material and Flowmotion footage shot under similar conditions. The common factor here is CS6, on both Mac and Windows platforms.

    I never render out of Premiere, except to save out the audio track so that I can re-combine that with my final renders from AfterEffects (the import PPro function doesn't even preserve the most basic sound tweaks from Premiere). I love how easy it is to add/remove tracks and do simple edits or fixes after going through a big render thanks to Quicktime Pro.

    I render to ProRes422HQ mostly. I've had to investigate rendering out to DNxHD on my Windows box, because Apple are d-bags about some things, but will be switching to an alternate codec once I get around to fully investigating my options for Windows. I really don't trust or like Avid software. Never have.

    To get to h.264 for upload I use MPEGStreamclip and the x264Encoder. The damage is already in the ProRes files once they pass through CS6 though. I've seen other example videos online from folks with the same artefacts rendering straight out of Premiere or FCPX unlike my pipeline pushing through AfterEffects. Anecdotal issues of them not seeing the "rain" anymore after switching to a different patch on the camera aren't as convincing, to me, of a solution given virtually 100% of the folks that transcode their files first never see these issues again.

  • matt_gh2matt_gh2

    @BurnetRhoades What artifacts are you getting? Is that from rendering in Prem Pro or After Effects...or both? I'm assuming the normal rendering while editing is fine, but you're getting problems with the File> Export> Media when you want a final file? I'm curious also what Export settings are giving you trouble (H.264, QuickTime Uncompressed, etc. )? Also what hack setting are you using with GH2?

    I'm on Windows Adobe CS6. When I was using an unhacked GH2 with just stock firmware I occasionally got some "diagonal rain" which was visible on some monitors. I'm presently using Apocalypse Now Boom v1, without any issues. Real curious to here your experience with all this. Thank you

  • BurnetRhoadesBurnetRhoades

    @Aashay Adobe is great for editing with the MTS directly but it doesn't transcode properly when rendering out final quality, introducing some really annoying artifacts. This occurs with both Mac and Windows versions of CS6.

    Until they fix their code I'm currently editing with the MTS but then media-swap to transcoded ProRes for the final render. It's annoying, and tedious, but it actually works where Adobe currently fails us you aren't benefiting from their realtime performance with MTS files.

  • WhiteRabbitWhiteRabbit

    @kraqman, road trip footage looks great. I wish I had the Panny lenses, together with the my legacy sets.

  • brudneybrudney

    kraqman, thanks. that's what I thought, some of my favourite lenses for gh2 :)

  • kraqmankraqman

    @brudney Thanks. I used the 14-140mm and the 20mm 1.7. GoPro for timelapses.

  • emynachemynach

    hi, does the intravenus II span?

  • driftwooddriftwood

    @rajamalik Check your workflow. Also send me a small test file from this session.

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