Ah, the horror show that is NTSC, 3:2 pulldown, etc! Probably hasn't been a good thread on that since, what, the early DVX100 days...

@Driftwood @BurnettRhoades I'm a little confused at the 23.98 and 24p talk here. What is the advantage of one over the other? Which one is best suited if my end goal is to project in a movie theater? Is one better for Bluray than the other?

@Driftwood Wow awesome! Thanks for all you!

@Maya There's two variations to try out. One at 24p the other at 23.976. 25p on a 24p setting? Its not a stupid question but within the confines of the ptools we have - its unlikely. Its just a timing trick to round to 24 frames. Syncing with other cams could be a problem, some NLE's may have problems interpretting it - try it out and report back. We already know its fine for bluray.

@the_cubaner Good lill' test - which version of Apocalypse did you use? FYI moon T7 has a better quantisation spread over the Apocalypse settings.

@T1000 None much visibly with the Cluster X Series! It's all dependent on which side of the fence you stand.

Simply put, some people adore Intra for motion and a fresh compressed frame for each frame but it consumes more bitrate than over a greater GOP like 3, 6 or classic 12/15. Long GOP (from Spizz to DREWnet) employ predictive p/b frames to 'sample' along with motion prediction where macroblocks should be reused from the previous frame. This understandably saves on memory.

Modern encoders like that of what is in the GH2 (h264) do a great job of prediction with its rate control and quantisation and can achieve almost identical looking pictures at half the bitrate (e.g. moon T7 uses around 147Mbps on average wherever it can - whereas DREWnet only uses 78Mbps to achieve the same quality. Most people can't tell the difference. But motion is defo better in moon/Intra. Both moon T7 and Drewnet plus all the new Cluster X settings coming are balanced on similar levels to each other but according to their GOP structure. However, Long GOP is definitely more computationaly expensive than moon on the processor - so there's only so far you can push it in the GH2. The greater than GOP the more computations. The lower the GOP the more bitrate expensive. :-) Hope that helps.

I upgraded from the old "apocalypse intra" to the new "Moon T7 intra" one hour ago and it looks fantastic! More details, same sharpness, AWESOME! - See the testscreen at the bottom. GH2, ISO 1600

In the next days, I testing some other stuff.

My FINAL 'Driftwood' tested version of DREWnet T9 (classic Long GOP) is now up on page 1. Its a truly brilliant setting.

A new version of Nebula 6 GOP will be up on page 1 shortly utilising the findings of my latest research.

@act Give Cluster X DREWnet a try - most recordings around the 78-80Mbps for 24p H. Is that too much? Nebula will be coming soon but there doesn't seem much interest from the majority in a mid GOP like Nebula's 6 allround.

These Trial settings as you can see over the months from users work very well - and though they are experimental to a degree - they are kicked into shape over time until rock stable. At higher bitrates we can't guarantee spanning on all modes (can anyone?!). But rest assured with the card you have, moon T5, T7, Drewnet T8 and other Driftwood settings on 24p span reliably.

As you can see I'm mainly researching best quality at each GOP. Redshift is good low bitrate setting - try it too. Apart from that there's plenty of low bitrate settings around outside the House of Driftwood.

Bring the revox.

BTW: Right, final DREWnet T9 being uploaded .

Guys, for non-narrative based stuff the 24p setting could prove useful so Im leaving it as a alternative.

You will get sync drift in your audio if you shoot at 24fps. ALL "24P" cameras shooting at 23.98fps is not an arbitrary fact and it has nothing to do with "video look" like dear Jim is going on about.

24fps, don't do it, or, go with God. It's not my headache.

@BurnetRhoades Not too familiar with this, but are you saying if I shoot 24P and have audio recorded on separate recorder and I use a clapper board, that the syncing will be impossible. ..or is just the sync drifts out of sync after awhile? So I guess 23.976 makes syncing with clapper board accurate?

ı really like the idea of having 24 fps insted of 23.976. I can not do the tests cause my 2011 MBP's discrete radeon graphics card died on me last night and All I see the apple during the boot up than just gray screen. it is gonna take sometime to get it fixed ı guess. now I am left with an İpad. at least ı can follow the posts.keep testing guys.hope to cacth you up soon.