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'Apocalypse Now' Experimental Series 1 Thread - BOOM, Intravenus - cbrandin/driftwood AN Soft/Cinema
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  • @bangkng The Quantizer=16 settings you're referring to are found in the "Drewnet 12/15 GOP 444-sharp matrix" patch. In practice, moderately detailed scenes that make use of the patch's full bitrate will use coarser average quantizers than the patch settings indicate:

    24H: avg Q=18 @ 70Mbps avg; 95Mbps peak

    HBR: avg Q=26 @ 40Mbps avg; 60Mbps peak

    SH: avg Q=24 @ 45Mbps avg; 60Mbps peak

  • 'Apocalypse Now - Drewnet 12/15 GOP' hack description states: Upto 80+M for Top Quality 1080p24 at Q15 Upto 40/56M for quality HBR/FSH & 720p modes at Q15

    but the INI file shows: Initial quantizer=16 Quantizer for 1080 modes=16 Quantizer for 720 modes=16

    is that right?

  • @driftwood **** NEWS & APOLOGY **** During the process of beta Release candidate to the final release parts of the AN 444 sharpe settings for Nebula and DREWnet matrix info got mixed up in the save process and uploaded. Please note - the correct settings are now up as 'sharp2'.

    I'm a little confused about the revised "sharp2" matrix. The original Cluster v7 Nebula and Drewnet sharp INI files contain the following "Apocalypse Now" I-frame matrix, designed by Chris Brandin:

    004 004 004 255

    004 006 005 255

    004 005 006 255

    255 255 255 255

    The new "sharp2" INI files contain an I-frame matrix from a different patch:

    004 004 004 005

    004 006 005 006

    004 005 005 168

    005 006 168 255

    Is that the correct "sharp2" INI file? The reason I'm confused is because the sharp2 matrix is significantly different than the one proposed by Chris Brandin.

  • So many ppl uploading huge raw GH2 files! XD

  • @matt_gh2 Vimeo have big problems...

  • Vimeo.com/48626707

    Here's the link to Apoc Now Intra test. Shot in 24P. 2 minute dramatic scene. Sorry for duplicate posts - couldn't get embed working.

  • Sorry, vimeo embedding not working . Will correct later tonight and post.

  • @driftwood @all Here's a 2 minute dramatic scene shot with Apocalypse Now IntraVenus (Candidate 1). Vimeo did a bit of hack job on the quality, so I would recommend downloading the original 344MB file from Vimeo. Even then, it looked much smoother/sharper when viewed directly from camera on 62"HDTV and looked much better when viewing in Adobe Premiere Pro. (Shot in 1080/24P)

  • When instal "Soft" hack does it also effect the picture modes on the GH2?... I still like sharp pictures though!

  • **** NEWS & APOLOGY **** During the process of beta Release candidate to the final release parts of the AN 444 sharpe settings for Nebula and DREWnet matrix info got mixed up in the save process and uploaded. Please note - the correct settings are now up as 'sharp2'. You effectively have a new setting to try out.

    Apologies and thanks to @zcream for making me realise the mistake.

    I now defo need a break.

  • @Tobsen why does it bother you and others that spanning continues to exist. 4 gigs is about 7 minutes of time.

  • Ive done most of the standard anamorphic sizes on many of the mjpeg Intra settings in the past. These AN ones work at 2K and you can adapt the screen sizing as you like. Just don't go too far over mjpeg resolution else youll get failed recordings.

  • I recall last year that @LPowell created a special patch for handling anamorphic with MJPEG -- see http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/151

    How would one go about modifying the AN or IV settings for this, or do they only work with AVCHD codec?

  • @bkmcwd Good news on the next variation. IntraVenus edition 1 is nearing completion too.

    @zcream Ah! a save mistake and zipped wrong! You are correct there is no difference because the wrong release candidate was sent out. The new version is now up - note the differences.

    Im hastily getting ready to go to France (where Ill be updating some settings from) and then onto...Chile. Its a hard life. TBF though, I bloody welI need a holiday! Save mistakes happen.

    @Shon Possibly your card then. AN stuff is a tad more aggressive on the bitrate. Im not seeing what you see on personal recordings.

  • Oh, look... another flame war on the interweb... You never see that anymore.

  • I tested spanning of AN Nebula 444 sharp in HBR mode and it didn't span.Tested it three times. Always stopped at 4,29GB. Nokton 17.5, ISO 400-500, shutter 50, f1.4, smooth -2-2-2-2. Average bitrate was around 52.8mbps. My quick feedback.

    I am aware of @Driftwood saying it might not span. So I checked it under the conditions I was in at that moment (Evening, indoor, tungsten light).

    Besides that it looks very good so far!

    @Driftwood @cbrandin @bkmcwd @Vitaliy_Kiselev and all the testers: Thank you!!!

    EDIT: used Sandisk extreme pro 64gb 95mb/s.

  • @silvertonesx24 Nice looking footage. Thanks for posting.

  • @2many: I agree and disagree. I think its wonderful that everybody can make music now and produce films. I dont have to be the audience to everybody though. I dont click on every video i see here. Sometimes i do and think "wtf". And sorry, what do you think would someone like Tarkovsky, Bresson or Bergman think about your 2-3 minute films? They might say, ahh with the gh2, now every idiot ( i am not adressing you 2many) can make movies that look a bit cinematic, have a bit of craftsmanship but will never be art.

    But i fully agree, people should not post something they are aware of its shit, that they have not put any heart or efforts into. And yes, if someone has short comings, he should gently be made aware of them, fully agreed. And there is always uncertainty about your own work. You will also never find a situation where everybody likes ur work. If everybody likes it, you should rather get suspicious.

    @peternap: just reading your post now. You are right and i agree, back to the settings. and fair play everybody.

  • @peternap

    Cheers buddy

  • @2many

    Thanks mate for speaking up. I am not in any way offended, and if I did press some wrong buttons, i will buy the person a beer. Just glad someone else knows where I am coming from :-)

    @Mirrorkisser

    There are objective truths, and subjective truths, and then the rest is plain opinion. When it comes to film, and video, certain things are fairly objective and you cant turn away and pretend everything is a relative truth. What is relative however, is taste, and that depends on your sensibilities. You keep asking the question, who decides? Well, there are gatekeepers in the industry, the powerful ones uphold values that are dear to them. Either you subscribe to their values, or you choose not to participate, either way, your life in the industry will be influenced and determined by what they do.

    How far can you be a relativist?

  • @kazuo I'm going to go OT just a little to say something, then I'll quit. I'm on a lot of Video and Photo sites, 80% of which are populated by arrogant know nothings and bickering is a way of life.

    This in particular has everything from rank beginners to some of the most talented people I've ever come across. for the most part, everyone is treated with respect and help is given without any expectation of fame and Glory.

    Nick has put together IMO the single most significant breakthrough in a long line of significant breakthroughs, in the DSLR world. It's still in development and most of us are still trying to get a handle on what it will do and how.

    Mirrorkisser meant well. You meant well. Everyone has had their say. Let's get back to the settings.

    @2many Sorry, you beat me to it!

  • @Kazuo

    Believe me I understand where you're coming from. Same applies to music, movies and art in general. There's too much crap being produced these days because technology makes it possible for everyone to become a musician, a photoshop painter or a cinematographer. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to enrich our world with even more beautifully crafted art because only very few offer their blood, sweat en time to what they are doing.

    But there in lies our challenge: everyday we come across so much bullshit that sometimes we go mad. But those very few times you actually find a small treasure, it is so much more satisfying I think. So in stead of being negative to "noobs" we should gently make them aware of their little 'flaws' and inspire them to invest more time into their work so maybe one they also they will produce some stunning work.

    @Mirrorkisser

    Don't go too far. Kazuo basically apologized for his coming on strong, and he has given his opinion in an honorable way. We should respect that, the same he should respect our opinion.

    As for people posting their videos everywhere: if you are uncertain of your work, do not post your shit everywhere in public, because obviously some people don't like it; you got to respect that. In stead hit up a few friends, send them your footage and kindly ask if they would want to give you their opinion. Only if you're fairly confident your footage is good, post it in threads like these.

    (and now we should stop this ridiculous discussion and make place for more relevant things; bring in those test videos!)

  • @driftwood

    I may be able to release Valkyrie of the next version tomorrow. :-)

  • @kazuo: who defines who is worthy of chipping in his 2 cents? You? somebody else? Who defines who is able to do really perfect testing without any shortcomings? There is always a bigger fish in the lake. Everybody finds his master and somebody who knows a lot more.

    If someone tries to help and gets himself into work to contribute, he should never be bashed. Its so easy to bash someone who knows less. But be assured, you dont have to walk far to find someone who knows a lot more than you (with you i am speaking in general terms so you can keep your colt in its holster) And even people like driftwood, cbrandin or vitaly were not born as the experts they are now. they had to learn to. I dont know if their first testings are still on the internet. Criticise people, but in a constructive way. dont bash the shit out of them.

    also nobody forces you to read any post. You can skip after one sentence and think "what a doucebag".

    And although i probably know a lot less than you about technical issues, after being in this forum for maybe 2 months, i know whose posts matter the most to me and which i better skip after one sentence. But even then, although i dont know too much i enjoy if i can give something back and help someone who knows less.

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