@maxr

HUGE CA's... not in the 80's, very recently... i.e. The Master

Are you talking chromatic aberration? You found huge CA in a motion picture that was predominantly 65mm, using painstakingly selected lenses and optically timed? It's one of the most amazingly gorgeous films of our time, with close-ups that reveal just how far digital still has to go.

Or are you talking about something good?

@matt_gh2 thanks for that half bro XD - you put the thing with much nicer words {monkey looking at the sun}

@BurnetRhoades , ok maybe not huge :P • Night boat shot with this lens have CAs (maybe 'cause wide open dunno), in the end of this shot there are purple and blue... not that it makes the film less good, that's exactly my point ,-) • BTW what do you mean by "Or are you talking about something good?" I'm honestly asking 'cause I don't know • Another thing about DB is highlights falloff, real hard... but again, and from the tinkering with DNGs, there's some room (not much) for interesting improvements via firmware. Will they manage? I guess time will tell. Will it get dragon's DR? Most probably just the whiskers of it. Will DB be able to produce very neutral (clinic) images? I highly doubt it, after all was not the whole idea to go Western Deep ? If you let me abuse of OT chatting, there's absolutely no point of seeing this McQueen's film if not in most overwhelming darkness with inverse protection, then you'll know where you are just by the pumping of your heart :-)

As a final curiosity the greek word "alethia" literally means the state of not being hidden; the state of being evident

@BurnetRhoades thank you for thoughtful insights ,-)

Guess The Master it's not such a good example after all, as I was kind of shoken by this "effect"; by contrast, as everything else was so... to be completely honest I had a hard time integrating the whole thing. Better now

But, as you put it very clear "unless you were making a broader point that chromatic effects are acceptable (and to me sometimes beautiful in their random contribution to a film)" I'll just add + imagining coherence, again the context thing. Now I'll leave the devil's advocate rol and maybe we can settle on it, have a beer and go for next minutes, je je

Lenses have had CA forever. As long as we've had color stock to capture it, it's there. We ignore it. (as an aside, I once had a pair of aspheric eyeglasses that I could see CA through!) So CA is...whatever. It's a lens function. Just like soft corners and vignetting, experienced eyes/brains are ok it it, and inexperience ones don't have anything to compare to.

But color moire is both new and very difficult to remove in post. We're not used to seeing it, and most of the eyes that have experienced it in a further past associate it with cheap video capture/TV/news anchor neck ties. It'd be a simple fix for DB to add an AA filter, but this would probably eat some light (reducing the already poor DR) and increase softness (which is already present, since the tiny sensor is really pushing the res of most lenses), and push up cost.

I actually really want to like this camera. The whole development made me skeptical, yet a part of me wanted to be proven wrong and for DB to achieve a great product. All I see are apologies and marketing tactics, not a great product.

@maxr Lol. BTW was lucky to have seen The Master on a big screen in theater. Good looking film.

Even though I say hold on a bit - I could really give a shit about this overpriced and oversized looking retro star trek phaser. Im quite happy with my current set up. :)

@goanna . Only kickstarter backers are receiving cameras at the moment, the camera is still on pre-order so I'm not really sure why you would expect all those sites to be posting reviews. In the meantime, plenty of initial footage out there from both DB, Phillip Bloom and other users. Or if you have a real question, you could actually just ASK on the DB forum and the company founder will likely reply within the day, try that with blackmagic.

PB was one of the first people to BACK the kickstarter and will post his full review soon, in addition to the footage and opinions he has already posted. Good place to start since I would urge folks to get their information from people who actually use camera's for a living and not gh2 shooters posting test footage of their mom's cat's on vimeo :P

@burnettrhoades: Agreed. The Master was triumph of cinematography :)

@CFreak you may be right, he is a canon/Zacuto fan - but he definitely talks about moire, rolling shutter and the likes now with all cameras:) I dunno, I like what he has to say, but that's just my opinion.

@lunalobo75 in what little I have seen of his in the last 3 years, I will say he has gotten fairer, perhaps the contract with Canon ran out… and now he CAN talk about moire and rolling shutter ;-) Anyone who spends a lot of time on a blog, can't have that much time left to work as a DP. AFAIK.

@CFreak hahhahha, maybe there was a contract, maybe not;)

'Anyone who spends a lot of time on a blog, can't have that much time left to work as a DP. AFAIK.'

If you check under his "Films" section on his blog, the guy has done a ton of work and still does; seems he only get's about 2 post a month on his blog now - now his twitter and Instagram is about as active as a honey badger on snake! But, in the long run, it's just another opinion, I guess.

Salud

from people who actually use camera's for a living and not gh2 shooters posting test footage of their mom's cat's on vimeo :P

Maybe DB16 users shoot cats, we just don't know... :)

My concern with this camera is suppose you are making a vid with it, and it breaks down, how are you going to get it repaired or replaced? That was one of the issues cited with PB when he unloaded his RED cam. And in this case, I have no idea what the "Bolex" license is, but in the Wikipedia it mentions that it is only licensed in the USA (I don't know that this is true, just what it says in WP). So suppose you are in Europe (which I often am) and you need a replacement and it gets permanently stuck in customs. I don't even know what the broader implications of the license are, does that mean you cannot for example use a photo or rushes from the set in promo-material-worldwide that show the Bolex logo on the cam? I don't want to have to worry about this stuff in the middle of a project.

What that means to me is that if you are doing a medium or high budget film, and there is an issue with the cam, as it stands right now you could be left high and dry. Hopefully that will change but I would be reluctant to put myself in that position.

@goanna I hadn't though of that, but that is pretty strange, considering that vaporware is sometimes prereviewed.