Threadripper 39xx and TRX40, TRX80 Threadripper new chipsets coming

Vitaliy_Kiselev

Check x570 boards prices (I mean top ones, and they are much simpler and weaker).

All main board makers specially requested AMD to help them hike the prices to the roof.

We now have same cartel where you can't buy chipset even for repairs.

If any company could just buy all main motherboard chips like chipset and multicontrollers (it is more easy, but also restricted) - we will see big failure of Taiwanese cartel.

None of current Chinese companies are allowed to make their own mainboards due to lack of chipsets supply (they only use desoldered chips from old boards).

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Gigabyte Motherboards coming

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Gigabyte Aorus TRX40 Xtreme - 13+3 VRM Phases

Will also have USB 3.2 Gen 2 ports, as well as 10 Gigabit Ethernet controller.

Issue with VRM is that it is extremely packed on small space, making it very inefficient in heat spreading.

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Samples of new top motherboards on X299X Aorus Xtreme Waterforce example

EU price is 1700 EUR per MB only.

brudney

OMFG, that's crazy. Recently I updated my whole PC (mobo, ram, cpu, ssd) for that amount o_0

Vitaliy_Kiselev

New socket name is sTRX4

Only change will be reshuffling of some contacts to prevent compatibility, similar to that AMD made to Ryzen 1st gen on X570 (special modification of BIOS preventing them working!)

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Announcement will be November 7th, not 5th as AMD intended initially

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Upcoming models

3960X - 24 cores, real TDP 280W, declared can be as low as 120-150w
3970X - 32 cores, real TDP 280W, declared can be as low as 150w
3980X - 48 cores, real TDP 280W, declared can be as low as 250w
3990X - 64 cores, real TDP 350W, declared can be as low as 280w

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Package photos

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MSI motherboards

Vitaliy_Kiselev

Info embargo lifts in a few hours at 9 AM (EST).

The actual 'on-shelf / launch' embargo would be lifted on the 25th of November, again at 9 AM (EST).

Ryzen Threadripper 3990X announcement will happen in 2020 only (as now AMD wants to sell same CPU under EPYC brand with big premium).

Other leak suggest $1399 and $1999 prices in US without taxes (very close).
EU price will be around 1500 EUR, 2500 EUR.

And you did not saw motherboard prices yet.

Top models are expected to reach $2000.

Meet the new AMD - ripping you off, big time!

Cost to manufacturing for 64 core chiplet based EPYC is below $200! Expect new housing price hikes in California.

Vitaliy_Kiselev

Chipset difference to x399

CPU actually still has 64 PCI-Express lines, not gen 4.0 x

48 lanes toward PCI-Express x16 slots (x16/x16/x16) or x16/x8/x8/x16
8 lanes toward chipset-bus. AMD is using an extra-wide PCI-Express 4.0 x8 pipe between the CPU and the TRX40 chipset, it is totally idiotic decision, look further
8 general purpose lanes, usually used for 2x M.2 NVMe slots (but can be x4 PCIe x1 motherboard slots, or even additional SATA ports)

AMD made 8 lines connection to chipset for sole reason - break compatibility with x399 due to Taiwan makers request and their greedy investors.

The AMD TRX40 chipset is almost 100% X570, just PCI-Express gen 4.0 is configured differently to accommodate the wider x8 chipset-bus.

8 lanes used by chipset-bus
8 general purpose lanes. For external onboard devices such as GbE or WLAN controllers, additional USB controllers, or even wired out as slots.
4 lanes configurable as four SATA 6 Gbps ports, general purpose lanes for slots, or an M.2/U.2 NVMe connection with x4 wiring.
Another 4 lanes configurable as four SATA 6 Gbps ports, general purpose lanes for slots, or an M.2/U.2 NVMe connection with x4 wiring.

As you can see it is ZERO reason to put 8 PCIe lines (and they are v4.0!) to such chipset and with CPU having so much PCIe lines by itself.

It is some kind of AMD abortion, just reuse of horribly underpowered x570 chipset.

This last slide is also very interesting an and it means that AMD is actually specially limit Threadripper chips by releasing TRX40 chipset, as IO die is actually 8 memory channel capable.

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ASRock TRX40 Taichi and Creator

Taichi ports

2 x Antenna Ports (on I/O Panel Shield)
1 x PS/2 Mouse/Keyboard Port
1 x Optical SPDIF Out Port
2 x USB 3.2 Gen2 Type-A Ports (10 Gb/s) (Supports ESD Protection)
1 x USB 3.2 Gen2x2 Type C Port (20 Gb/s) (Supports ESD Protection)
4 x USB 3.2 Gen1 Ports (Supports ESD Protection)
2 x RJ-45 LAN Ports with LED (Realtek 2.5G LAN / Intel Gigabit LAN / WiFi 6)
1 x BIOS Flashback Button
HD Audio Jacks: Rear Speaker

Creator ports

2 x Antenna Ports
1 x PS/2 Mouse/Keyboard Port
1 x Optical SPDIF Out Port
2 x USB 3.2 Gen2 Type-A Ports (10 Gb/s) (Supports ESD Protection)
1 x USB 3.2 Gen2x2 Type-C Port (20 Gb/s) (Supports ESD Protection)
4 x USB 3.2 Gen1 Ports (Supports ESD Protection)
2 x RJ-45 LAN Ports with LED (Aquantia AQC107 10G + Dragon RTL8125AG 2.5G LAN)
1 x Clear CMOS Button
1 x BIOS Flashback Button
HD Audio Jacks: Rear Speaker / Central / Line in / Front Speaker / Microphone (ALC4050H+ALC1220)

ASUS ROG Zenith II Extreme

MSI Creator TRX40

Gigabyte TRX40 AORUS

Features

12+2 Phases Infineon Digital VRM Solution with 70A Power Stage
Intel GbE LAN with cFosSpeed Internet Accelerator
3 Ultra-Fast NVMe PCIe 4.0 x4 M.2 with Thermal Guards
Onboard Intel WiFi 6 802.11ax 2T2R & BT 5
120dB SNR AMP-UP Audio with ALC1220-VB and WIMA Audio Capacitors
Front & Rear USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C Header

Features

16+3 Phases Infineon Digital VRM Solution with 70A Power Stage
AQUANTIA 5GbE LAN and Intel GbE LAN with cFosSpeed
3 Ultra-Fast NVMe PCIe 4.0 x4 M.2 with Thermal Guards
Onboard Intel WiFi 6 802.11ax 2T2R & BT 5
130dB SNR AMP-UP Audio with High-End ESS SABRE 9218 DAC, ALC1220-VB, and WIMA Audio Capacitors
Front & Rear USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C Header

Features

16+3 Phases Infineon Digital VRM Solution with 70A Power Stage
Thermal Reactive Armor Design with Fins-Array Heatsink, 8mm Mega-Heatpipe, and NanoCarbon Baseplate
Intel X550-AT2 Dual 10GbE BASE-T LAN with cFosSpeed
4 Ultra-Fast NVMe PCIe 4.0 x4 M.2 with Thermal Guards
Onboard Intel WiFi 6 802.11ax 2T2R & BT 5 with 2X AORUS Antenna
130dB SNR AMP-UP Audio with High-End ESS SABRE 9218 DAC, ALC1220-VB, and WIMA Audio Capacitors
Exclusive AORUS Gen4 AIC Adaptor for Extra 4 NVMe PCIe 4.0/3.0 x4 M.2
Front & Rear USB 3.2 Gen2 Type-C Header

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Links

Taichi 16 Phase 90A Dr.MOS https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/TRX40%20Taichi/
AORUS MASTER 16+3 Phases 70A Power Stages https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/TRX40-AORUS-MASTER-rev-10#kf
AORUS XTREME 16+3 Phases 70A Power Stages https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/TRX40-AORUS-XTREME-rev-10#kf

MikeLinn

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IshikawaRyan

Well, Vitaliy, what do you think: from Gigabyte models, Designare looks like the most reliable in case of heatspreading, does not it?

Vitaliy_Kiselev

@IshikawaRyan

I'll post specific info to http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/23008/amd-strx4-trx40-trx80-hedt-motherboard-selection-guide-for-video-editors#Item_11

Just need some time.

IshikawaRyan

Thanks for immediate answer, Vitaliy! Anyway all of boards are not available in Russia yet. Gonna watch out that page.

Vitaliy_Kiselev

And this is nice reason why prices are such

As it allows all such contracts, where AMD can pay tens of millions of very complex hidden bribes :-)

Vitaliy_Kiselev

Current Threadripper rumors are that we can never see 64 core version.

Or it can be restricted to workstation TRX80 chipset.

Also rumors are that AMD had some management fight and brainstorming how to make new chips incompatible with x399. Only logical reason for it is weaker VRM on many x399 boards that max out at 250-280 watts already. All else is just plain maid up things, like fake doubling of PCIe lines to chipset that no one asked for.

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64 core CPU will come , but at high price and 2020 only

Real TDP will also be exorbitant, rumors are that you'll need specially made waterblock for efficient cooling.

Rumors are that AMD decided to hike price 50% up to $3000.

In 2020 Intel and AMD must finally change positions in HEDT market, where each and every AMD offer will be more expensive for the same performance (but will consume less power, that is important for large render farms and such).

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