@Vitaliy_Kiselev Never been good at nuance so what should we call it a FOV penalty?

But if there is no crop will there be body stabilization? It seems you can't have one without the other hopefully that's not the case. Or maybe there is stabilization but for a change if you turn it totally off no crop. I hope the later.

@inqb8tr

Such hopes have some real foundation.

Two sources shared some info about the new Panasonic GH5. They both said that there will be no “full” GH5 announcement at Photokina. This means there will be no full specs, pricing and shipment info of the camera. They are yet not sure but this could mean Panasonic will display a camera prototype with some “general” specs info instead.

As expected.

It will be also fun how they will try to sell you NX1 specs camera (with few pro like additions) more than 2 years after NX1 introduction :-)

I am happy to pay for upgraded features: VLog, 422, RAW etc... and then pick and choose what I want.

Personally I wouldn't like to go down the hardware / software as service road. That is the reason why I haven't personally gone down the CC pathway. That is just my view. Many don't share it.

Especially since Apple is planning (in the process of) adding subscription to App Store, looks like this really is the future. (which actually may be a good thing for Apple Pro Apps as this may get more features and functionality out).

But seriously- please Panasonic, just keep up the great work and possibly add a few "paid" features, no subscription.

Wow did i just read some rants and whining. I've created more content with the GH4 that puts some high paying DPs to shame with Reds than most. Christ, I've produced content with a Go Pro Hero 4 Black in 4k that's blown the socks off two big name manufacturers that now want to pick it up for their own marketing. I try to say this without ego, but really the tools boil down to whose hands its in. In my professional experience the GH4 is near perfect in V-Log 10 bit out to a Shogun (with alexa like highlight roll off). Different tools for different jobs. If I want a full frame low light monster I'll pick up an a7s, if I want an all around camera that can produce a cinematic look I will opt for the GH4 with metabones 64 xl and shogun. The GH5 will only get better marginally because it is already there and its almost 3 years old! Everything internal would be fantastic without the need for external peripherals, but the unit built up is still insanely compact. I think what we all can agree upon is we really need higher quality slow motion (4k 60p, HD 120 / 240p) in camera that isn't muddy and I think thats about it. Calm down folks and focus on your skill... not the tech per say. With that said, speculate away... but complaining that Panasonic doesn't listen or creates cameras that are lacking is simply not true.

@Scot

I think it is future, seriously.

It is also way for market to be more like smartphones market, with China and Japan just making cameras under different brands names, like Google or Apple :-)

One thing I am waiting on camera market is extremely cheap FF camera with monthly rate. Like new Windows or Office.

You get perfect FF camera kit for $200 with build in 4G module, and pay $10 for each 1000 shots and $25 per month. If you don't pay it becomes fully locked (including lens).

In comparison to GH4, GH5 will have:

• Same sensor as GX85
• Same IBIS as GX85
• Better processor than GX85
• Most of the fancy features as in GX85, like crop panning etc. modes
• FullHD 120fps
• New video profile, similar to V-log
• They give up on weather sealed body
• They will introduce new gadget that integrates to GH5 body. Like YAGH was to GH4. What it will be? Not sure yet. Maybe Panasonic's own video RAW recorder.

I was never big on proofs and precise documentation and I like to paraphrase rather then quote (with keeping the essence of the point of course) but since you insist here you go:)

Your link make no sense considering your statement, of course many new jobs appear. But they are not among top 5 jobs.

I just can not see how increasing divorce rates can be good for wedding video biz...it is a good joke I can give you that:)

It is not joke, as population in US is growing and each woman also have more weddings comparing to old times. Good for wedding shooters.

You also have very unusual understanding of camera market and economics. Can you make bigger and more detailed separate post about all your points?

@caveport Where you might go if it proves out is the Fujifilm XT-2. Except for high frame rates, it has caught up to the GH4 in features. It has the ideal format, an excellent line of lenses, and those Fujifilm emulations. The ability to shoot Astia or Acros with little or no post-processing is a big deal. Supposedly, it has no aliasing or moire. It remains to be seen whether it has enough DR to be competitive. If it does, I will switch from Panasonic as soon as I can afford to.

@Manu I am affraid that figuring out the turbulent future based on recent past is a wrong method.

If in january of 2015, someone told you that in spring of 2016 gopro is going to lay off their workers and close some factories because financialy they are going down (even though they probably had the best Christmass season ever!!!!) what would you say? Would you believe in these predictions?

But how is it possible that with all these drones and surfers and divers and their grandmas using gopros, manufacturer who makes them is on the edge of financial collapse? Ever thought of how and why is that?

Just because Panasonic CEOs, CFOs, UFOs and others wanna buy another yacht by following the guidance constructed in their riggid and selfish imagination, doesn't mean that market, users and the rest of the world will follow their idea!

When you read stats, you can learn that something like top 5 job positions today, didn't even existed 10 years ago.

You know that shooting music videos used to be a legitimate career right? And look where it is now? Where do you think that weddings video market will go if we just learned that this year there are more adult Single Americans then married ones (and that is more likely continue to be a trend). And what kind of cameras and for what price that market will be able to functionaly use in times ahead?!

Let me repeat myself:

Smartphones are shooting 4K and 240fps TODAY! And you are arguing here wheather a pro camera that needs to be released next year should have 4K 60fps?!?! Whataaaaainaaaaworldofmyyyyfffffffceeeeqqqqq?!?!?!?

I mean, can somebody please raise the stone under which you are live in? Wake up folks!!!!

Most of the jobs on video market these days are obtained not by raised quality but by underbidding the competitors! And you know where that leads... Production budgets for building up the infrastructure are dried up for quite some time now!

@Caveport I don't get what you irritation and complains are about...users demanding for manufacturers to make a product that they would acctualy like to use, whats wrong in that? You think they should just accept crippled and overpriced product just because that how "thing are"?!?

Are you sure you're not working for the darkside?;)

You say we should all use the tool we need. We would love to, but there is a minor challange to that: Tool that we need - DOES NOT exist!!! Yes, there is a bunch of crippled objects on the market of which each has something we could use, but in a grand scheme of things, it just makes no sense to do it! Makes no sense to shlepp 5 camera bodies when technology allows it all to fitt in 2 models or so. And we as user are telling to manufacturers what we Want, Need and How Much we are willing to pay for it! If they are smart they will listen and make millions by pleasing us instead of making hundreds of thousands trying to please themselves.

I think yes, until something unexpected happens.