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Are all POWER OIS lenses unsuitable for handheld shooting?
  • VeskuVesku

    I think that Panasonic has big issue of jittering lenses. How we can inform Panasonic about that. Does someone know if Panasonic is knowing it or is doing something with it.

    POWER OIDS = optical image destabilization :)

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  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Some firmware update plans

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  • yskuntoyskunto

    What about the OIS behaviour of 12-35mm f2.8 mk 1? Is the behaviour the same when using GH1, GH2, and the recent generations?

  • LPowellLPowell

    @kieranvyas

    Is there any definitive consensus on whether the micro jitters is fixed on the 35-100mm 2.8 ?

    I recently tested the Panasonic 35-100mm f2.8 (lens firmware 1.3) on a GH2 and compared its OIS jitter and panning behavior to several other Panasonic lenses:

    42.5mm f1.7 Power OIS

    30mm f2.8 Macro Mega OIS

    45-150mm f4-5.6 Power OIS

    50-150mm f5-5.6 Mega OIS

    14-50mm f2.8-3.5 Mega OIS (Four Thirds)

    These lenses all exhibit OIS aberrations at the end of a horizontal pan. After a brief delay, the image frame will drift back in the opposite direction to the pan, in order to re-center its OIS tracking mechanism. With a well-behaved lens, the delay interval is long enough for you to edit out the backtracking footage, and you'll get a smooth finish at the end of your panning shots. A lens with jittery OIS will wobble and/or drift at the end of each pan.

    35-100mm f2.8 Power OIS - wobbles and drifts back and forth at the end of each pan

    42.5mm f1.7 Power OIS - short delay after end of pan, followed by a single backtrack, no jitter

    30mm f2.8 Macro Mega OIS - short delay after end of pan, followed by a single backtrack, no jitter

    45-150mm f4-5.6 Power OIS - immediate backtrack after end of pan, no jitter

    45-200mm f4-5.6 Mega OIS - wobbles and drifts back and forth at the end of each pan

    14-50mm f2.8-3.5 Mega OIS - long delay after end of pan, followed by large backtrack, no jitter

    For both handheld and tripod usage, I found the 42.5mm f1.7, 30mm f2.8, and 14-50mm f2.8-3.5 behaved well enough for panning. The 45-150mm f4-5.6 was marginal, while the 35-100mm f2.8 and 45-200mm f4-5.6 were unacceptable.

  • EzzelinEzzelin

    Has anyone tried the 14-140mm II with Dual IS 2 on the G80/85? I would assume there's no jitter, but it would be nice to confirm.

  • VeskuVesku

    The latest FW update for 14-140mm II makes no difference for OIS jitter. I tested. It just enables dual OIS. When using dual IS (OIS+IBIS) the result is good.

  • kieranvyaskieranvyas

    @v10tdi thanks for your reply. Is it noticeable then? If I'm using the OIS in conjunction with a shoulder rig or steadicam would that prevent the issue, or would it still add jitters on top?

  • v10tdiv10tdi

    I have the 35-100mm 2.8 and the micro jitter of Power OIS is better with v1.3 on GH4, but still not acceptable to me: I must still apply SW stabilization in my NLE (which works very well). It's a shame - otherwise the lens is excellent. The Power OIS does work very well for photos.

  • VeskuVesku

    I have no 35-100mm 2.8 but I think it is quite OK now but not perfect. Much depends how you hold the lens. My 14-140mm II behaves better when I use my left hand taking grip of the lens hood, not zoom ring.

  • kieranvyaskieranvyas

    @Vesku

    Is there any definitive consensus on whether the micro jitters is fixed on the 35-100mm 2.8 SPECIFICALLY with the GH3?

    (It appears different cameras get different results. I have the GH3 and this jitters thing is the only thing stopping me from buying the 35-100. Any help would be greatly appreciated!)

  • VeskuVesku

    Not all POWER OIS lenses has that OIS vibration. The new 12-60mm looks good. Panasonic 14-140mm v2 Micro Jitter problem VS Panasonic 12-60mm:

  • brudneybrudney

    Thanks Vesku for reminding how useless these pois lenses are for handheld video. Too bad Panny don't do anything about that.

  • VeskuVesku

    14-140mm II vs FZ1000 jitter at 140mm:

    14-140mm II hand held. Awful:

  • surfersurfer

    I hope this jitter will end with the Gx80/85 dual is. Can anyone test , when the cam is available?

  • VeskuVesku

    I have found that my 14-140mm II OIS jitters less when I use left hand grip in objective hood instead of holding my hand in zoom ring. Especially zoomed to 140mm the hand position in the hood is much steadier. With 4k video the image crop helps not to shoot own fingers.

  • feanorfinwefeanorfinwe

    excuse me, there was wrong shutter speed - 1/500s (thanks to RickPick, it's a jello and not jitter)

    tomorrow i will try it again

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  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

  • VeskuVesku

    "...the issue is in video only; even then most people seem to not notice the jitter anyway..."

  • v10tdiv10tdi

    "...the issue is in video only..."

    Well...maybe not video only. My testing confirmed that the Panny 14-140mm Mk2 lens suffers from "shutter shock" when taking stills using the mechanical shutter (SS slower than 1/500) - a slight blurring or double-image. The only cure I could find at slower SS was the electronic shutter (which has its own issues).

    I don't think it was necessarily a Power OIS issue - none of my other Panny lenses (MEGA or Power OIS) exhibited the same behavior.

  • RoedieRoedie

    I know. That makes me rather angry. Could be that they know very well, but that it is a much more fundamental problem with the concept of their stabilization system, and that they just hope people won't see it. If that is the case... Future lenses will have the same problem.

  • brudneybrudney

    Well, according to Panny there's nothing wrong with that lens - the issue is in video only; even then most people seem to not notice the jitter anyway (that's why it's never been addressed by the manufacturer, btw)

  • RoedieRoedie

    @brudney Thx. The only problem of course is selling a faulty lens - how do you do that? I'm afraid I start to lose my confidence in Panasonic. Thx for the idea though.

  • brudneybrudney

    @Roedie Or just sell the lens and get the older version for cheaper - it's basically the same glass but without any OIS issues.

  • RoedieRoedie

    I've been shooting video with a 14-140mm on a G7, and the jitter is absolutely there. Really disappointing! So disappointing even that I started thinking about selling the camera again and going for another make. Specifically because Panasonic even refuses to admit there is something wrong. After all, it has been like this for more than a year! If this is what Panasonic is about, I've learned a lesson here. Stating that you cannot use a 14-140mm lens (that has image-stabilisation!) without a tripod sounds to me like a joke from a standup comedian. And what about all these reviews on those specialized sites? While it is obvious, they don't seem to mention it at all. Who should I believe? Can anyone tell me about a believable site for reviews?

  • v10tdiv10tdi

    New lens firmware released for several Power OIS lenses (42.5mm, 12-35mm, 35-100mm, etc.). http://av.jpn.support.panasonic.com/support/global/cs/dsc/download/fts/index2.html

    It appears that mostly designed to handle the dual IS feature, but you never know.

    Dual I.S.( Image Stabilizer ) is available by this firmware update. (in case of the usage of Camera with this function) * Dual I.S.：Innovative Handshake Correction System by the ideal combination of lens I.S and Body I.S.

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