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SSD disks and NAND memory price watch
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  • If your system is on SSD, all programs and processes which access that drive will load and work faster, not just booting.

  • I am running a MBP 13" 2011, 16GB RAM and a 1TB Samsung HDD in the optical bay. Will the general performance be better/faster or only the boot speed if I substitute the Mac boot disk with a SSD?

  • @stonebat

    I do not see here bad customer support.

    It was just bad products. Do not worry, they already fired about 30% of the staff, most probably part of them was responsible for such products (designing them in the time set by some kid with MBA degree :-) )

  • Last year they released bad products. So many people returned the products. I got caught up too. It was bad. No more OCZ in my book.

  • @stonebat

    And that you understand under "customer service" for SSD?

  • I wouldn't touch OCZ products with a ten foot pole. Horrible customer service.

  • @gameb I have tried the Momentus XTs, they're ok, but frankly just go for a SSD. They're not even comparable speed wise. Even if you need the larger capacity of an HDD, you're better putting a SSD in a micro-PCIe bay and using another HDD in the 2.5" bay in a laptop. If space is of no concern, like in a 17" with dual HDD bays or a desktop, just a standalone SSD is a no brainer. I wouldn't bother with the XT

  • Somebody has experience with this one: Seagate Momentus XT 750 GB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 32 MB Cache 2.5 Inch Solid State Hybrid Drive ST750LX003

  • Work well on Pro Tools (especially 10) and Logic where large streaming instruments are being used

    Agility 3's

  • @stonebat

    Trim Enabler works fine for me.

  • @goanna

    Good rule - check the flash process and buy drive with oldest one :-) As all this new 20nm stuff have much smaller maximum writes number.

  • Intel ships SSD 335 as its first drive with 20nm flash

    Don't panic, SSD 330 owners: your drive hasn't been immediately rendered obsolete. Intel's new SSD 335 is just the first shipping drive using the company's 20-nanometer flash memory. The shrink down from 25nm is primarily a technological showcase that proves the more scalable, hi-K/metal gate borrowed from processors can fly in NAND-based storage. Buyers will still get the same 500MB/s read speeds and 450MB/s writes in a 2.5-inch, SATA 6Gbps drive that will stuff neatly into many desktops and laptops. Intel is shy about pricing for the lone 240GB variant on offer, although a quick scan finds it selling for a slight premium over its ancestor, at $210. While that's still frugal in this day and age, we're guessing that Intel's vow to "pass along the savings" with the SSD 335 won't truly be realized without a reseller price drop or two.

  • As much as I'm right with @LPowell when it comes to an SSD RAID (as in "dude! just imagine what these mothers could do RAIDed!"), they're fast enough on their own.

    In fact, they're so light you think you've bought an empty box, so quiet you mistake a screen time-out for a shutdown, so fast you wouldn't ever go back and so cheap to produce you might want to keep just one mechanical hard-drive in a museum case for posterity.

    When the first manufacturer of mechanical hard drives ceases production, I'll post it here.

  • @zigizigi If you are going to compare SSD to HDD, you want to compare them one-to-one to get a fair comparison. So if you are talking about using an HDD RAID, then compare that to an SSD RAID. :)

    The benefits depend slightly on how performance the drive is vs your HDD. The highest end SSDs completely outperform the highest end HDDs in terms of both random access and sustained transfers.

    If you are running your files off a single high performance HDD vs a single high performance SSD, the difference is very apparent in Vegas. How many layers of video are you typically running concurrently?

    Here are a few of the things that are fairly intensive on your drives.

    • Creating file indexes/searching without an index.
    • Playing back high bitrate files.
    • Playing multiple files at once.
    • Opening/closing programs.

    Of course, it all depends on to what extent your workflow is IO limited vs CPU or GPU limited.

    Not all SSDs are created equal - some of the high performance options have sustained transfer rates well over twice that of some budget offerings, etc.

  • I have recently re-cloned my mechanical hard drive to SSD and the speed difference you notice is, yes, on boot-up.

    But it's astonishing to see applications launch instantly. FFMBC Turns .mts into Prores faster, limited only by the processor. Deeper down, virtual RAM is speed-indistinguishable from real RAM and I think the whole VR thing could be undergoing a re-think for OSes.

    But, like perhaps, @zigizigi, lots of us, for lots of the time, just surf the net. The only perceivable change is less noise.

  • @zigizigi SSD has no moving parts. That means I can just pack my laptop with SSD and use it like a supersized iPad.

    I have only 8GB in my laptop. So I gotta swap apps frequently. Kill one. Launch another. SSD helps tremendously.

  • @zigizigi

    Benefit is easy to spot if you work many hours, use various software and do it everyday.
    HDDs are unsuitable for accessing many small chunks of information (and this is that your system HDD is doing).
    They are also slow for big chunks.
    And SSDs, with more channels and better controllers became very good.

    And yes, it is very easy to feel computer with HDD as system drive, I tried many times :-)

  • I recently upgraded my system drive to SSD - well I agree that it's quite redundant. What's the real benefit? Few seconds less boot-up time? I power my PC once a day and really don't care if takes slightly less. Few seconds less of start-up screens of heavy applications? Again, if I spend hours editing in Vegas then hours rendering, do I really care? Can't find a real advantage I couldn't live without, but 120Gb drives are cheap these days, so why not indulge in perfectionism a little?

    The only sound idea that occurs to me is to have a 512 Gb drive as temporary medium for multicam projects instead of conventional RAID. That would be a valuable boost in NLE preview performance. But they're not cheap yet, but still affordable if you do enough of paid job of a kind that benefits from it and covers expenses. I don't, I only do few such projects a year.

  • @stonebat The RAID firmware is on the HP's motherboard and works at the BIOS level. Win7 sees it only as a single disk volume. It does appear to speed up the R/W access to the SSD's.

  • @LPowell If the RAID is software based, I wouldn't bet on the theoretical speed. I guess the bottleneck of SSD is the write speed, and it's improving fast. Yes one big drive is less headache.

    My only complaint is the lack of TRIM support from Apple bastards on 3rd party SSD drives. There's TRIM Enabler App but I'm not sure if it works.


    With the massive price drop, we can only assume that Toshiba is backing off their reduced output strategy. This is good news for consumers looking for even lower priced SSDs. How good is this for consumers? Well, this is a quote from one

  • @goanna The only issue I've seen with the SSD's is at bootup. Once they're mounted, they work without error. The 120GB combined size is just barely large enough to be useful, I wouldn't want to mirror them down to a 60GB drive.

  • @LPowell

    Has it occurred to you to set up your RAID in mirror mode to cover the possibility of one of the two failing?

    And yes, there have been recent inroads into the historical problems of slowdown and failure.