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Driftwood Settings, Series 5: Cluster v6 ULTRA RELIABLE, Mysteron, Crossfire, Quantum 9B, Sedna...
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  • GH2 with Cluster v3, Olympus 45mm 1.8, cinema filmmode, 1600 - 2500 iso

  • @andyvia1968 You have a good musical taste, but do you mind putting the due credits as to who the musicians are and maybe a link to their itunes or something would be nice gesture!

    @Driftwood man, they are coming fast ; ) Which one of the clusters would you recommend for the low light/high iso?

  • @Driftwood Cluster 4Looks pretty good so far. The detail looks good and I couldn't get it to lock up even using a 45mb card. I got about 114mb in 24p and 70 in 720p.

    I need to render it to see if there are any panning artifacts which there were not in v3.

  • @soulkeeper Yep, definitely resolves more detail in the shadows in low light on AQ1. It just pushes it a bit more from the Q20 to samples of around Q16 when required.

  • *** NEW *** Cluster v4 Improvements in 720p sustained hi bitrates with most importantly good buffer retainment. 70m+

    24p Always good at around 116M. Cluster in 24p H mode will span completely to roughly 1 hour 10 minutes on a freshly formatted 64Gb 95m/ps Sandisk card. Test confirmed.

    HBR 60M + sustained.

    Back to more classic looking charts!

    Cluster v4 - seti.zip
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  • What's the differences between Sedna Q20 and AQ1..i read that they differ in quantisation but how does this translate in real life scenes? Better in low light e.t.c?

  • @Driftwood I used Cluster V3 yesterday to video a Marathon. That's always an imprecise art because things are happening fast, it was bright sun and I had to expose on the highlights.

    One GH2 had a 200mm zoom using FM2.1 and the other, a 50mm Prime with Cluster 3. This was 720p and I was overcranking the shutter because I didn't have my ND.

    The Cluster 3 did lock the camera up once requiring a battery removal, but out of 60 gigs of videos, not too bad.

    When I started cutting the FM zoom in, in post, it had a noticeable grain compared to the Cluster. Thinking the lens may be the reason, I did some test clips with the Cluster camera today comparing the zoom to the prime and there is no noticeable difference in the grain (I didn't pixel peek).

    The differences in yesterdays shots seem to be when I over exposed a shot. Cluster seems to handle that better than FM or at least at higher shutter speeds up to 400.

    Any thoughts about that?

  • Wow thanks! Awesome coming from you

  • LOL, very good @kingmixer, great work, superb acting to excellent production all round. Congrats.

    @artiswar Really nice editing and great use of Orion. Well done.

  • Something (somewhat) narrative shot on the Sedna A with some production to it:

  • Shot mostly on Orion 4d. Paid gig. Big thanks to @Vitaliy_Kiselev @shian and @driftwood

  • @karl While I can't speak for Driftwood's patches, my experience with Flow Motion v2 and a variety of Class 10 SD cards rated at 30MB/sec, 45MB/sec, and 95MB/sec is that the rated speed only has an effect on 4GB file-spanning reliability. In every case where I've observed FM2 recording failures on 30MB/sec SD cards, I saw the same failures occur on 45MB/sec and 95MB/sec cards as well. OTOH, the only cards that I have verified 24H and HBR file-spanning on are the 95MB/sec SD cards.

  • BY the way Quantum 9b followers - here's the details of the 'The Revenge of the Great Camera Shootout 2012' in their pdf for those technically minded.

    http://www.zacuto.com/zvideo/RGCSO-TechnicalCameraDocumentation-V1.pdf

    I've been invited to the forthcoming London event, I'll keep you posted as to where its going to be, and it will be a great chance for us fellow GH2 users to meetup and have a chat.

  • @karl Dropbox me. See my email address on personal-view on my name - use that to invite me. Dropbox is free for 2gbs. The Intra 24p are top notch - Im not suggesting that they will span forever like some people need, but if youre filming less lengthy stuff like youve put up so far you'll have plenty of time to adapt (and adjust) to the excellent recordings of the Intra setings. Give 'em a whirl again, go on, be a devil!

    And please attempt to describe the sort of crash you experience when using them.

  • @driftwood: Am I suggesting none of the Intra 24p settings are stable? So far I tried the 24H settings of Mysteron, Quantum 9b and Canis Majoris, and indeed, they all made my GH2 crash sooner or later. (MJPEG recording was stable, though, even at high bit rates, but does not look as good as 24H.)

    Am I assuming correctly that "span my bitch up" or the unified EOSHD settings would be the 24p Intra settings with the least stability risk? (Then maybe I should try them once, just to get a chance to rate their IQ against the GOP3 settings I've worked with so far.)

  • @driftwood: Regarding: "Can you provide a 2-3 sec recording in 24p and 720p (ie before it stops, stop it manually after 2 secs) on the same subject in your jpeg and get a copy to me to download." - I will remember to create such a test recording next time I can try (when sun, wind and free time converge at some noon). (BTW: Can you already name a place where I could upload those files? Getting one < 10MB for uploading here could be difficult...)

    Regarding use of different SD-cards (like "30MB/s" vs. "95 MB/s"): I get a feeling that the influence of those different card types is not as large as we may think. I use a much slower card (actually an older 8GB microSDHC class 6 card in an SD adapter) to transfer the firmware .bin files to the GH2. It happened a few times to me that I at first forgot to exchange this card with the 64GB 95MB/s SDXC card before starting the test-shot, and curiously, the recording on this smaller, inferiour card never yielded a different result regarding stability then after I noticed my mistake and changed for the fast SDXC card.

    Also, if you think about the bit rate of 720p60 recordings, they are relatively low, so it is not very plausible that recording stability depends on the card performance in that mode. I've got the feeling that the CPU power of the camera and maybe some memory buffers it requires is the more relevant factor for recording stability.

  • @lpowell LOL! I completely agree. Just waiting for Karl to offer some reports in all seriousness so we can improve things. Its all in good sport. dw... Speak of the devil. @Karl, now youre back could you send me those test files?

    Also Karl, are you suggesting none of the Intra 24p settings are stable?!

  • @driftwood: If I was LPowell's alter ego, would I have reported 720p60 SH recording issues in the FM2 thread? ;-)

    But seriously, I'm happy for everyone who does not experience any involuntary stops with anyones settings. I am just trying to find out which of the many settings is stable for me under all circumstances, and the "moving leaves in the sun" test is the one that has caused most issues for me so far.

    Among the high bit rate 24H settings that I have tested so far, only GOP3ZILLA, GOLGOP and FM2 were stable for me, and only the first two also survived all tests with 720p60. I'm sure some of the intentionally lower-bit-rate settings (like Sanity) would also be stable, but since I don't mind high capacity usage on the SD card, I try to find "maximum quality without stability risk" settings for use with SanDisk 64GB 95MB/s cards.

  • @driftwood Death watch testing FM2 at 720p60 is more than enough self-abuse for me. No time for sock puppets here!

  • I sincerely hope that Karl isn't the German alter ego of Lee Powell! ;-)

    I still highly rate Quantum 9b 'updated' HBR - constant 80M and Intra.

  • Oh yeah..and the lens was a Panny 14-140 with OIS enabled and AF on. Low light clips were shot at 30 & 24 SS while daylight was 60 SS and ISO 160.

  • I'm with Zaven13...except I recorded to a Transcend 32GB Compact Flash (CF) 400X Flash Card Model TS32GCF400. Tested 3200 ISO low light setting with 24P Cinema, 30P HBR an 24P Manual at 80%. Also tested daylight setting (the same as I always use with blowing leaves, zoom, waving flag) using 24P Cinema and 30P HBR, All clips were 1minute each. Surprised I had no write error issues as Cluster v2e was just too much for the Transend card.

  • Id tested on my forest of death at the weekend without problems. Im certainly going to be trying to verify what Karl has come up with.

  • @karl, @driftwood. That is strange because I have tested Cluster v3 using Sandisk 32GB 30mbs and demanding panasonic 14-140mm lens shooting 24H with success fully zooming to 140mm and good quality. As for 720p60, I have had success with SH mode as long as I don't zoom but H mode has been working well with good quality also. Nick, any news of Sedna GOP1-Cluster Crossfire soon?

  • @karl Really? Can you provide a 2-3 sec recording in 24p and 720p (ie before it stops, stop it manually after 2 secs) on the same subject in your jpeg and get a copy to me to download. I need to analyse it. Thanks. Also experimenting with diifferent matrices for Cluster v3.1

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