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Z-CAM E2 cameras lineup production can suddenly stop
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  • TSMC has since applied to the U.S. government for permission to continue to supply Huawei. According to recent report, TSMC recently got the nod to do business with Huawei. However, the approval restricts the business to “mature technology” only. This suggests that the license obtained by TSMC mainly covers products manufactured with mature technology.

    The report does not specifically mention SoCs for mobile phones. Furthermore, the report did not also state what it means by “mature technology”. However, it is generally acceted that products above the 28nm node are mature. The likes of 16nm, 10nm, 7nm and the latest 5nm processes are advanced processes.

    It is interesting, as Z-CAM LSI is just part or (reworked) Kirin processor I doubt that it is 28nm, more like 16-10nm. But not 7nm also.

    It is also hard to say if HiSIlicone will be able to make even old 28nm chips, as some new issues can arise. Like shortage of engineers who leave in big amount for other companies.

  • Yes it seems they are sneaking away...

  • Dealer message

    Situation slowly worsen, communication from Z-CAM become strange, sometimes they don't reply now.

  • Z-CAM and development of situation

    Z-CAM cameras batch that they send before sanctions finally got to US. They smartly used limited batch of LSIs on more expensive models, so cheaper ones are out of stock.

    Real wave must hit all distributors in all countries around November and early December as getting LSIs will become impossible. For now it is few poorer countries that have no stock according to messages I got.

  • Sample of advanced Chinese action cam that have same issue with availability (proven by manufacturer)

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  • HiSilicon situation

    Retail channel operators for Huawei's smartphones in China are hiking prices of the vendor's models powered by HiSilicon's Kirin chips that are expected to become obsolete in the wake of the US sanctions against the Chinese tech giant.

  • Another dealer sent message that most of Z-CAM E2 models are not available for order.

    They had been offered to order only one expensive model (most probably F8)

  • Looking at B&H and Adorama

    Z-CAM E2-M4 and Z CAM E2-F8 are only cameras in stock all else in on back order or not available.

  • It was a joke. But I feel that this economic war will end in war at all...

  • @flash

    First, they won't move anywhere. If they won't find solution fast it won't anything to move soon.

    Second, main issue is in proprietary specific Chinese chips :-)

  • But if Zcam move to USA, it’s ok lol

  • Industry rumor, today source

    Sony, Panasonic and Samsung can be ordered by next executive Trump order to stop sensors supply to ALL Chinese firms or their affiliates, order will part of the sanctions for the Chinese actions towards Uighurs.

    Main goal will be to fully stop high quality security cameras production as well as stop smartphone manufacturing by Xiaomi and BBK brands (Oppo and Vivo).

    Z-CAM could get another extreme blow here.

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    Hisilicon share is expected to drop to close to 0% already in Q4.

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  • Zhejiang Dahua Technology - 2nd largest security cameras manufacturer on the verge of collapse

    Company will get $443 millions USD of government money but they can't help much, except to pay salary for people who will do nothing. Money will travel via intermediaries like China Mobile and Alibaba Group Holding.

    Company is mostly focusing development on cameras made for tracking ordinary citizens where each camera is part of giant AI cloud that can track you in realtime using not only facial AI, but also walking recognition of items that belong to you. Cameras work in extreme close union with cell providers that send information about your name, home address and such.

    Yet Sony and Samsung no longer can supply any sensors to company, HiSilicon do not have big stock of chips that had been core of company cameras and also around 60 of other chips and parts are no longer available.

    Company need big amount of supplies for servicing and cameras replacement as lot of cameras are being destroyed by citizens in last months according to their service department.

    Inside company ordinary workers are in panic, as big money are unable to solve any of the problems that company have, multiple intermediaries that company tried to use to get more chips and sensors stock also stopped working with company 2 days ago.

  • More Huawei troubles

    All China-based chipmakers have quietly suspended their shipments to Huawei, as well as the joint development projects they had been working with the Chinese vendor, amid concerns about being targeted for breaching US trade restrictions.

    This is how opportunism always end up.

  • Small update from Chinese industry talks

    Lot of companies can be hit and go out of business, it is security cameras, some smart things, smart appliances, tablets, smartphones and more.

    People who work with HiSilicon tell only bad things as they did not care about anyone but their parent company - Huawei.

    To Z-CAM buyers

    Demand some signed papers considering servicing and make sure to have written demand compensation or new replacement cameras in case Z-CAM won't be able to service your broken device at all.

    Make sure to check your local dealers and call to each and talk about Z-CAM service process and time it takes for even simple fix.

  • Today is the day

    Now only thing that matters is that stock of main LSI Z-CAM still have (it also issue with few other chips used in camera).

    I am sure we'll see in coming months attempt to play bad hand with stone face, explaining camera shortages and disappearing models with any reason rather than actual.

  • New Huawei rumors

    Industry insiders tell that Huawei failed to make enough of Kirin 5nm chips and can be forced to postpone Mate 40 flagman smartphone lineup. Most probably it will never see any light or at best will be released in China as some special limited series.

    Back to Z-CAM

    Got one another very angry dealer message :-) Most words won't pass any censorship, even very soft one.

  • Huawei issues with service

    Due to problems with displays supply, some chips and main LSI availability most existing Huawei smartphones won't be serviced since November-December and issues with repair or replacements already begun in September.

    In EU and certain other countries this can lead to big fees payments and attempts to replace any defective phone with new more expensive model, this is bad idea as Huawei also do not have much spare parts to assembly new smartphones.

    This is big warning to all Z-CAM owners, as with fast developing situation they can be one on one with their camera that no one will be able to repair.

  • Bad luck for Z-CAM

    Had new interesting chat on that happens in US-China escalating conflict.

    Next US target will be all manufacturers of chips and components used in security and industrial cameras (including military ones). And this mean exactly chip used by Z-CAM as it is being used in premium security cameras (yes, they have 4K and 8K security cameras at industrial and top security objects).

    Around half a year ago in one talk guy from China, who been inside for some time, he accidentally told (as we talked on their nice fast developments) that Z-CAM actually made specially modified batch for Chinese military production. Don't have any documented proofs, as it must be totally secret thing and it had been little boasting from his side, accidental one.

  • Samsung Display and LG Display also stopped shipping all displays to Huawei

    As displays still have chips inside them companies decide not to risk huge fines from US.

    Sanctions will spread to Xiaomi and BBK later in the year as rumors int he industry go.

  • Korean NAND and DRAM manufacturers are stopping shipping since September 15th

    Both Huawei and HiSIlicon won't get any new products from Korea, as well as all directly related companies.

    This also means big shortage of such products on Chinese internal market as Huawei could only now add to their stock via buying stock from someone else (and usually smaller resellers whoa re not afraid of big risk associated with it).

    In turn it can lead to significant Chinese products prices rise for medium and small companies.

    In the end of September of early October both BBK and Xiaomi can join the ban list as industry analytics are talking. Total ban on NAND and DRAM for Chinese companies can follow closer to November elections.

  • Some local Huawei dealers got warning messages

    Huawei will be sharply dropping supply of smartphones and some other devices. Estimates are around 30% in Q4 2020, 60-70% in Q1 2021 and 84-99% since Q2 2021.

    Drastic cuts come to Huawei and HiSilicon

    Few messages tell that almost everyone in marketing and engineering departments is looking for new job. Most won't be able to stay in the smartphones niche and will agree to 40-50% of salary reduction.

    HiSilicon will see biggest amount of cuts in October already, developers and support teams for Z-CAM chips can cease to exist as early as November.

    Some of Z-CAM dealers are very worried

    Got one message that their top management refused to provide any warranty of stock availability and of service availability since November 2020. The guy was scared as he had been told that if he will tell such information consequences for his firm will follow but he still decided to send message as it is little hard to scare someone if he is almost sure that will never do business with you anymore.

  • Got message from one of the people who wanted to buy E2 from local dealers (not in US)

    He called them and asked about this issue and service. He told that never heard so much obscene words and not towards the questions, but towards the firm and their top management. As it looks like they feed dealers with same manner as users. And in finale they told him Kinefinity dealer phone to call and buy this instead. Total mess.

  • Checked Chinese internal analytics

    It is expected that Huawei mobile department and HiSilicone will cease to exist around August 2021. Only small team working on special military mobile solutions will be kept under different company name.