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  • @vulgatron I own the LX100 and the GH4 with the 12-35 lens and I would say that the results are comparable at 35mm regarding DOF and Noise. Stabilisation is better at the LX100. 3200 ISO is still usable on both cameras, but represents the upper limit for my taste. I find both combinations usable for portraits, although I prefer the look of the range above 40mm (i.e. the 45/2.8 or 35-100/2.8 lens) on the GH4. The LX100 does not have the EXTele mode. Generally, I recommend to try both combinations by yourself before buying.

    @markr041 I really like your Hong Kong Lake video. It shows the shallow DOF achievable with the LX100 and demonstrates the good OIS.

  • I noticed right away on the Leica version that the counter starts at 15:00 as soon as you start shooting video and then counts down, so no need to even test.

  • A few video oriented questions: Will the results of this camera be comparable to a let's say GH3/GH4 with the 12-35 f2.8 in terms of DOF, Noise at high iso, and stabilisation? How good or bad is the video at ISO 3200? And another question, does the 35mm @ 2.8 offer a decent amount of separation of the background for portraits? Does the 1080p 24p/60p have the EXTele option? I know I can crop the 4k if I need a bit more range out of the lens, but I'll be interested in knowing if that option is available if I would like to use it when conforming 60 to 24p in 1080. My ideal combo will be a GH4 with the 12-35 lens (specially for the 96fps) but after considering different options I'm considering more and more the LX100 option.

  • Just tested the max recording time of video at 4K resolution: It was 15 minutes before it stopped and showed a message on the LCD screen: Recording has stopped because it has exceeded the time limit.

    I have tried both the 24P and the 30P, and both behave identically: Over the 15 minutes it will produce three separate MP4 files, the first is 4GB in size which corresponds to about 6 minutes in length, the second the same, and the third about 2GB in size and about 3 minutes in length.

    The good news is that when it stops, you can restart the recording immediately by pressing the red button again. It is clear that the time limit is NOT heat related. The camera was not even warm, by the way.

  • @utezet: That link is dead... typo?

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  • @trevmar

    I haven't focused on video for the reviews yet. My first goal was to illustrate what has changed for Auto ISO. My primary focus was on stills. I need to do 1 or 2 more reviews on stills first then I will do the video side. I will test your question now though. I had just assumed it would fail after 15 minutes.

  • "I produced a video review below that includes some tips and tricks for getting the most out of the camera."

    Brilliant video Mark, especially for someone dragging their feet in buying the LX100, like yours truly :(

    The one thing I haven't noticed in your review is tips on the max recording time at 4K. I saw a review (somewhere) which said some LX100s would record for an hour before the camera overheats and stops filming. What is your experience?

  • The LX100 is a revolutionary camera and not just because it features such a great new 24-75mm F1.7-F2.8 lens, a relatively large sensor, and excellent 4K video quality. It is revolutionary because of its new Aperture and Shutter Speed control dials and its excellent Auto ISO functionality.

    I produced a video review below that includes some tips and tricks for getting the most out of the camera.

    The tendency for most experienced users is to rely completely on the manual modes instead of using the fully automated Program Priority mode with Auto ISO. With previous cameras that was almost always the best decision because those cameras required several clicks of one or more control wheels in order to switch from one P.A.S.M mode to another.

    It may not sound like much but switching the P.A.S.M mode dial and then changing to a different dial to adjust your Aperture and Shutter speed adds extra time for those spur of the moment images and videos.

    Therefore most users would just place the camera in full manual mode right from the start. They would never even bother with the fully automated Program Priority mode with Auto ISO because it rarely would choose what they want.

    Program Priority mode with Auto ISO often chose too fast or too slow of a shutter speed. In addition it wouldn’t stop down the aperture enough or it would stop it down too much for the scene at hand. Most of that is not an issue anymore with the LX100.

    Panasonic has tweaked their Auto ISO and Intelligent ISO logic just enough with the LX100 so that it now selects the optimum settings for the majority of scenes that you will encounter. If you want slow shutter speeds it can select that in low light. If you want fast shutter speeds when there is subject movement it can do that as well. Also if you want the optimum aperture for detail and you want everything in focus it will do that.

    Now it isn’t perfect. It can’t read your mind and determine what “you” think is best. However, the best thing about the LX100 is that it has those terrific direct Aperture and Shutter speed dials. Now with the improved logic of the LX100’s Auto ISO mode you can get a good idea of what the camera thinks are the appropriate settings and then quickly adjust the settings that you don’t agree with. No more fiddling with multiple control dials just to change the shutter speed or aperture. One quick dial turn can instantly select the shutter speed or aperture you think is best.

    In the past a lot of Pro photographers had trouble switching from full frame sensor cameras to smaller compact cameras because they weren’t accustomed to the much broader depth of field with smaller sensors. They usually stopped down way too much thinking that their depth of field would be too shallow at F2.8 and below.

    Now with the LX100’s outstanding Program Priority logic with Auto ISO those users can get a good idea of what Panasonic thinks is an appropriate Aperture and Shutter speed for a certain situation. You still have all of the freedoms that you had before to select other settings. However, now you actually have good sound logic in the auto modes whereas before the cameras would pick apertures and shutter speeds that simply didn’t make sense at all for any situation.

    You really have to give Program Priority mode a try to understand what is better about it. You also have to put aside your experiences from larger sensor cameras for a moment because they don’t always apply to smaller sensor cameras.

    The depth of field will always be much broader even wide open with the smaller sensor camera. In addition the lenses usually have more detail even in the corners when they are closer to wide open than they do stopped down past F8.0.

    I hope everyone gives Program Priority with Auto or Intelligent ISO a try with this camera. I am not suggesting that you should only use this mode. I am suggesting that you should always start with this mode and then ask yourself “Do I really know more about this scene than the camera does”? Is stopping the lens down actually giving me more depth of field or is everything in focus already. Stopping down further might actually be decreasing the detail in my image.

    Is it really worth using a very slow shutter speed here or is it better to just shoot at a slightly higher ISO value and not risk blur due to subject motion even if the excellent image stabilization can take care of the camera shake.

    I have finally found a camera that I can take everywhere with me and instantly pull it out and get a great shot right away even in Auto modes. I can also hand the camera off to anyone else and not have to worry about whether they are going to select the correct settings or not.

    We spend so much time berating the “Point and Shoot” camera style. However, there are plenty of times when that is exactly what we wish we had. There is a time and a place for manual modes and other instances where full Auto is actually the most efficient option. The LX100 gives us the best of both of those worlds.

  • Great, thanks mpgxsvcd. I'll order some. Normally I buy Wasabi products, but the Wasabi batteries for the GX7 et al. is only 1100mah, vs the 1400 mah of the Halcyon.

    http://www.amazon.com/Wasabi-Power-Panasonic-DMW-BLE9-DMW-BLG10/dp/B005NJCFRE/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1416852831&sr=1-1&keywords=Wasabi+GX7

  • @TJ

    Yes I have those batteries and they work on my lx100. Battery indicator is inconsistent though.

  • Does anybody here know if the GX7 and LX100 take the same batteries? I found this battery that looks like it may work, it certainly looks the same, but I'm not 100% sure.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EEA960W/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AOO5G0FMW2BC9

  • Comparing Standard and Natural Color Profiles:

    Each scene shot sequentially in Standard and Natural Mode. A variety of high-contrast bright outdoors shots and high-contrast indoors shots in dim light.

    This video contains only the Natural mode shots:

  • @Karl; can't use Wifi on remotely piloted aircraft. The range of wifi is very short, and the signal would interfere with the remote control of the aircraft. Only solution is to buy the GH4. Panasonic "cripples" the lower level camera's with the same sensor for a reason-so no live HDMI out.

  • @WildLion:

    • Can it focus with the wifi interface while recording video?

    Yes.

    • Can it change settings while recording video (aperture, shutter speed, iso)?

    Yes.

    • How great is the wifi video recording lag?

    From what I've seen, I'd estimate ~ 0.3s to 0.5s, but this might depend on what controlling device you use (I observed using a Samsung tablet).

    • Does wifi video monitoring consume a lot of power?

    Hmm - don't know, but I would be surprised if it did. The battery lasts a long time (see postings above) - what kind of use case do you have in mind where it would become a concern?

  • Can it focus with the wifi interface while recording video? Can it change settings while recording video (aperture, shutter speed, iso)? How great is the wifi video recording lag? Does wifi video monitoring consume a lot of power?

  • Today was finally the sunny weather I needed to take useful shots of an IT 8.7/2 reflexive calibration target. I hope this will help Dave Coffin and others to support color calibrated conversion for LX100 images.

    You can download my raw (.RW2) image here.

    The relevant reference files are available from the target manufacturer here.

    Thanks go to Wolf Faust for making those targets available!

    I should also mention that some guy posted an ICC profile for use with RawTherapee. However, when I used it with my color target test shots, the results went further from correctness than with the default "Input Profile: Camera standard", so I cannot really recommend this.

    And another guy contributed a Photo Ninja lens distortion smart correction file for the LX100. ... but the link is dead now.

  • At DEMA, Nauticam now also demonstrated an underwater housing prototype for the LX100, search for "lx100" on this page. For unknown reasons, Nauticam leaves it to the Wetpixel guys to spread the news... they have no announcement on their own page.

    image

    If you wonder why the housing has "ports": Nauticam seems to offer different converter ports to work along with the fixed zoom lens.

    (Edit: It seems the text around the pictures at the wetpixel blog mislead me to associate the wrong image with the NA-LX100 housing - today somebody posted a very different image from the same exhibition that seems to be the right one. )

  • @rigg4d: Sounds like a case for this thread.

  • Guys, I've noyiced a little glitch while using the lx100 in IA mode: it doesn't seem to check or remember for what aspect ratio you are in (I usually shoot in 4:3) when you switch to IA and revert to 3:2. If you change aspect ratio on the dial it will update but until you do, it stays in 3:2. Anyone else has that behavior (lx100 US model)?

  • Karl,
    After 8 weeks this camera will cost less than the caging you're about to make :)