@thorn @Kurth

Let's do it without personalities and families references.

@Thorn....you sadly don't know what you're talking about. Of course it makes life more comfortable if you believe your government didn't murder 3000 of it's own citizens in order for them to have a pretext to start a war. That's what they've counted on. In fact , the cia invented the term "conspiracy theory" to make it easy to marginalize the truth when it gets too close. This was after they assassinated kennedy, which btw, was the beginning of the fascist coup that put the banksters in control.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/conspiracy-theory-foundations-of-a-weaponized-term/5319708

...and the physics of 911 wtc 7 freefall by 2200 architects, engineers and PHYSICIST !-

http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/872-freefall-and-building-7-on-911-by-david-chandler.html

http://www.ae911truth.org/en/evidence/35-key-facts/275-nist-admits-freefall.html

He was questioning my rights as a citizen and even telling me to "love it or leave it " !

Blind obedience isn't patriotism...never was. Nor is ignorance an excuse !

ps...investigate operation gladio. They've been doing this for a while. And every nation uses falseflags as a weapon.

@kurth One more thing dont tell me about blind obediance. I have never been that type person so hop off that bandwagon. Now you are taking it to another level and just so you know I wont tolerate it. And yeah I still feel the same if you dont like like living in America beat it leave dont come back go live in China.

And your idea about our own government blowing up the world trade center please give it a break already....

While I can agree there's a LOT of "stuff" being done in this world that's pretty ugly, you have to be careful when sifting through the mass of "data" and claims of fact. It's easy to be fooled by websites that present clear, compelling arguments for a certain version of the story, yet it doesn't make it fact just because they claim they can prove it. The CIA has done many heinous things and continues to do so to this day. I'm sure if the truth came out about cover-ups and questionable activities sanctioned by world governments (with or without "outside" direction from the so-called "New World Order" gang), chaos and anarchy might rule the day. Having said all of this, I get very skeptical of anyone who posts that everyone else doesn't get it and only they know the truth. That's pretty damn dangerous thinking. Read a lot, research through multiple sources, and draw your own conclusions. While doing that remain supremely skeptical of know-it-alls... And yes, the world is a pretty screwed up place with a dangerous trend towards more destructive conflict and strife. Humans will always be fighters and barbaric in many aspects, but with more weapons technology and craziness we're creeping closer and closer to a precipice that we can't step back from. I'd be stunned if human society can survive much longer without major changes and some reality checks. The current situation is not sustainable, no matter what flavor of Kool-Aid you drink.

@goanna

You are 100% right about the demeanor and I apologize for the rude/brash demeanor and tone in my comments. I joined this forum to learn about the GH2 and have learned a lot from everybody so thank you for pointing that out.

@aae91+1

@kurth Although I do not agree with your views, it does not make it right for me to have such a derogatory tone in my comments towards you. So I apologize specifically for saying "beat it leave don't come back go live in China" totally inappropriate demeanor, tone and comment.

@kurth so I googled and all hits were articles by physicists, engineers, geologists that say the towers collapsed in a way fully predictable and expected after collision for jetliner. The article you linked me to was written by the "AE911 Truth Staff". Not even a real name. This leaves me scratching my head. Okay, let's put aside the math and engineering theory by the "AE911 Truth Staff" and look at the narrative of 911 conspiracy theorists. So far, it's "We wanted the oil in the middle east". Cool. That's a motivation. But if the story fed to the public was fabricated, why did they choose such a horrible, illogical, farce of a story? That Iraq had WMD's and had links to Al Queda? Bad bab bad. Both claims we easily falsified and caused great damage to the Bush regime. If America was any good at this, we'd have planted WMD's in Iraq. NOT finding wmd's undercut the entire campaign. Ditto for the NON link between Al Queda and Sadam. I believe there are conspiracies and inside games relating to isis, but this 911 conspiracy stuff built on flimsy physics and bad stortelling is really out there.

According to the US government the 'laws of physics' went 'AWOL' in New York on 9/11. I'm sorry but you don't need to be a rocket scientist to work that one out. There's a lot of cognitive dissonance when it comes to 9/11. The 'Big Lie' is truly alive and well. It's such an uncomfortable thing to even contemplate that many not only won't, but can't.

@BrianL....when an article at a&e911 says "staff", that means that all "titled" 2200 signed and licensed professional members of the group signed off on it.

You can also go to journalof911studies -

http://www.journalof911studies.com/

....scholars for 911 truth-

http://911scholars.org/

....Pilots for 911 truth-

http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/

...medical professionals for 911 truth-

http://mp911truth.org/

....military officers for 911 truth-

http://www.mo911truth.org/

...patriots question 911-

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

...or read paul craig roberts and sybil edmonds. BTW...william binney just signed the a&e911 petition last month.

And the point you raised about why didn't they just fabricate wmd in iraq is a valid one. My response is "hubris" . I don't know everything, but I do know alot about 911and world politics. And 911 is the rabbithole americans have to crawl back out ...if they want to stop what's happening. If they don't wake up, they can expect wwlll. I'd then recommend to all of those "patriots" to please join up on the front lines, if there are any front lines . As einstein so aptly said " I don't know what weapons wwlll will be fought with, but wwlV will be fought with sticks and stones" .

@vitaliy....yes cognitve dissonace is a hard state to overcome. They can't integrate 2 completely opposing worldviews. So people get angry , go into denial, when their intellect can't process the 2 opposing pov's. It's common. Everyone I know passed through the "gates". And I don't get angry. But I don't let ignorance push me around either. ISIS is directly connected to 911, just like Libya and benghazi , just like drone strikes in pakistan where obama has murdered at least 180 children, just like Ukraine and mh17. I know you know what's happening. I challenge anyone to explain pennsylvania flight 93. Just look at the debris field of mh17 and flight 93 together. MH 17 was a real debris field. Pennsylvania ...well ? And btw....the US government is trying to blame Russia, as you're aware, when it's obvious and now well documented that MH17 was shot down by fighter jets. There's no other way to explain perfectly round holes in the cockpit section of the debris. And it's well known that Ukraine had fighters tailing the passenger plane. Yet the American government are liars, thieves....and sadly ....mass murderers ! They did the same thing last year in Syria. They tried to blame Assad for the chemical weapons, when it was our supported rebels using american chemical weapons. Remember Syria was on Gen. Wesley Clarks list ! And remember ISIS were those very rebels we were supporting in Syria. This is all pretext to destroy Syria. Sadly the American people can't connect the dots...between well produced videos apparently showing beheading non-combatants and the military/bankster complex's known desire and plan and actions to control the middle east. As long as America has no more than a kneejerk reaction to what's happening, the world is in danger of being destroyed.

That's why 911 is so very important. peace !

It's interesting that in a section set aside for opinions, members PM the Admin and threaten to leave because they don't care for another person's thoughts.

It's interesting that in a section set aside for opinions, members PM the Admin and threaten to leave because they don't care for another person's thoughts.

Couldn't agree more with @peternap 's words. This Personal View Is indeed "interesting" ,-)

But also it's is ingenious (not saying that about you buddy) not to acknowledge and account that everybody has it's own interests which are obviously mirrored in OUR own positions. USA's - not America which is far more than just the States - government is main character; but don't you worry every government has at least 2 lines in their smaller roles; in the world atrocious geo-politics' theater where every single parasitic cynical politic, party, corporation, action holders, misc puppeteers, etc. are trying to cut as big and as fast a piece of the cake as possible... collateral, what collateral? fuck those son of terrorist children!!!

Personally my main concern is that once someone has a minimum access to non sweetened official info the overwhelming (cosmic panic alike) is of such a magnitude that a "guidance" (and personal goals) of some kind are needed. Because either we like it or not, this cannibalistic and absurd reality is the one we're living... how not to be engulfed by the sea of bullshit?

Kurth said: "And interesting, back to the ISIS video released by rita katz. Appears she was responsible for releasing a fake osama video in 2007 !!

http://www.infowars.com/sotloff-video-found-by-group-responsible-for-releasing-fake-osama-bin-laden-video/"

Seriously? Alex Jones? You lost me there. He is certifiably crazy and anyone who takes the time to read his nonsense knows that. And please tell me where you get your information that all of the Navy Seals died shortly after the raid. Yes, Navy Seals died from the same group while in Afghanistan, but NOT the same ones who participated in the Bin Laden raid. When you make blanket statements like this and can't support them with facts, you lose credibility real fast. And regarding Alex Jones, read this:

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/profiles/alex-jones

No doubt you'll claim this group is CIA controlled too...

Kurth also said: "The truth is there is no proof osama had anything to do with 911. In fact he denied involvement. He was never charged with a crime. Everything else is pure lies and propaganda. Yet we've murdered millions based on these lies.

http://www.internationalnews.fr/article-osama-ben-laden-a-creation-of-the-cia-74025079.html"

Here too I took the time to read about the author of this document. He too is another guy of highly questionable credentials:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky

But again, it's easy to say that anyone who disagrees with your views is crazy or brainwashed. I read things about Alex Jones and Michel Chossudovsky and I see people who are crazed and paranoid as Hell.

While I agree the U.S. government and big business do many, many evil things in this world your kind of radicalized fervor (aka Alex Jones) makes your arguments hard to accept. I'll stick with guys like Greg Palast when I want to read/study true investigative reporting about the realities of war and the financialization of our world. There is no doubt that very bad people are doing very bad things, but your wild claims and reliance on characters of highly questionable reputations only hurts your case.

Why is it impossible? How do you know one way or another? Is the following site also just a CIA ploy? Again, I can imagine the "powers that be" doing a lot of evil things (and they do), but at some point some of this conspiracy stuff gets out of control.

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

Conspiracy theorists range from mild to wild. Some of what they say proves to be true, but much of the claims tend to be distorted or manipulated to fit their own world view.