Okay, aside from the conspiracy theory websites, please provide your sources of information. Are you a structural engineer? I'm not and don't claim to be, but assertions like A single beam failure cannot cause this. At best a partial asymmetric failure would have occurred. WTC7 was a textbook controlled demolition. are stated like you know something that the rest of us would like to be privy to. The sad reality is no matter what websites or citations you can provide backing your claims, there are undoubtedly just as many refuting it. Who is right? Of course you'll claim your sources are correct. Everyone believes they're right, especially when they're passionate about it. Again, do not think I'm all "rah rah" about our government and the condition of our world, but I also try and look rationally at all of the evidence from (hopefully) unbiased sources. Too many wild claims are thrown around like they're gospel but don't hold up to close scrutiny.

Case in point... I've been fascinated by UFOs since I was 6 years old when something weird buzzed my elementary school at the end of the day. It was black/dark and hovered motionless for a few moments before darting off at a ridiculous rate of speed. Others saw it but no one knew what to say. That started my life long interest in the subject. I've read the original Project Blue Book and countless textbooks on the subject, but have found a massive amount of nonsense and ridiculous claims by so-called experts. Through the years I have found several authors whom I find to be focused on realistic interpretations and analysis. Just like so many conspiracies, there are TONS of people who sense a coverup. And again, I agree there is one, but to what extent and how far does it go? The same rigorous analysis is needed whether it's 9/11, the CIA, The "war on terrorism", or UFOs...

Kurth, the more I read your supposed "expert" analysis websites and your claims that YOU know it all and the rest of us are fools, the more I realize almost all of your sites are far right wing conspiracy theory spots. As for Dr. Chossudovsky and the "Dr.", are you serious??? A Dr. in front of your name proves nothing. His writings and theories seem to be quite eccentric and controversial to say the least. The problem with you is you come on here and make claims as statements of fact and then insult the rest of us for daring to question your sources/claims. I will continue to question your sources and do my own reading of your so-called experts and form my own opinions. Anyone who claims to have all the answers always raises red flags. Also, nice little comment there about Palast and his Mossad ties. I read the anti-Semitic rants about Palast and his "Mossad" ties... Interesting, much of his anger towards the oligarchy in the U.S. is directed at big money guys who happen to be Jews. But those same anti-Semitic websites tend to lump ALL Jews into one group as being money-grubbing thieves out to control the rest of the world. Then again you might already think that's the case.

You are clear, but please make that suggestion again to Kurth as well. Conversations like this always seem to devolve into the lowest common denominator due to passionate feelings. This subject matter is controversial no matter what we believe. It elicits strong emotions. Having said that I will tone it down and stop posting to this thread anymore. I've said what I wanted to say... Thanks Vitaliy.

Kurth, on a calmer note, I agree that world governments are never to be trusted and have proven that is the correct stance for all of us to take. This is a very emotional subject and it "rocks our world" to realize our most trusted pillars of strength (the governments of the world) are lying to us about a lot of things. I have not made up my mind about 9/11, but I have always thought there were too many unanswered questions and odd events that just don't add up. The same goes for the CIA, NSA, etc. As I mentioned earlier my fascination with the UFO controversy, would the truth really be told? If there truly are extraterrestrial visitors what would that mean for the basic fabric of our society? Religion? Military, Oil Industry? etc... I would believe those in know about the subject would go to any length to protect their secrets, their wealth, and everything else that gives them power. The same can be said about most wars in this world - fought over power and money... So you and I can agree to disagree on the details but agree on the overall theme... The world is f**ked up and we all need to wake up about it. Gee, I wonder if the NSA is reading all of our posts? Nothing would surprise me anymore.

One of the things I like about this site @brianl is that I get information from the perspective of many other countries. They often get more accurate news than we do.

St. Paul: The Burning of Rome was an Inside Job!

Emperor Nero: Pay no attention to my Centurions throwing those torches! And throw these Christians to the lions! I shall play the lyre during the half-time show!

“This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector.” - Plato

“If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.” - U.S. President James Madison

“A history of false flag attacks used to manipulate the minds of the people! In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs it is the rule.” ― Friedrich Nietzsche

I agree with @Vitaliy_Kiselev and @kurth for the most part on this topic. Sorry @Azo There is a lot of problems in America. And if everyone just blindly accepts them, or leaves! as you said, then those problems will never get fixed! Think of the mass illegal immigration from mexico to u.s. Just because someone doesn't like the govt. in mexico doesn't mean they have to move to the U.S. it means they need to step up to the plate and voice their concerns for their country. The power is in the people and thinking like you do is what takes the power from the people and makes them feel powerless. I for one am tired of most american's lying down and taking it in the a$$ instead of sticking up for what is RIGHT! How many laws do you agree with? How many laws do you disagree with? Do you think there should be camera's on every street corner watching everything you do? And monitoring everything you say on the internet. Apparently you do because you said that if you aren't doing anything wrong then you have nothing to hide. BUT THAT IS B.S.! Nobody should be under constant investigation! that is about as unconstitutional and morally wrong as it can get! FREEDOM is what america used to stand for. Now it is a made up illusion that cease to exist in this place we call HOME! People came to america to be free. We should still have that right and not have to leave because we don't agree with that very freedom being taken away. WE SHOULD STAND UP AND TAKE FREEDOM BACK! Sincerely-T.F.

From the same psyops media department that brought us... Gulf of Tonkin, the Panama invasion, Kuwaiti babies thrown out of incubators, Iraqi mobile chemicals weapons labs, cheesey anti-Islamic videos, Osama Bin Laden ten years after he was dead and the mother of all psyops... 9/11! Meanwhile back at the ranch our illustrious leaders are playing the terror card and are compiling lists of undesirables who are about to be branded as domestic terrorists and rounded up. Hmmm... methinks better speak to my broker and start buying a bunch of M.I.C. stocks.

@brianl

hey are you aware of the US journalist "our" government has murdered ?? Nope...didn't think so ! Google the cia's heart attack gun ! And then read up on what really happened to andrew breitbart. Or better....michael hastings.

Apparently you've been manipulated by their media campaign...just like they planned. Just like they planned since op gladio. And WE ARE "the hell out of your way". Join up and come back with ptsd, or without a limb, or in a bag ! But I'd bet you want some other poor kid to go fight your battles for you. And I'd bet there's an enlistment center right around the corner !... hehehe

@pundit...better cash out...and get out. When you've done that....and you're not contributing to their criminal government, and you're not within reach of their criminal law enforcement, then you can become an effective critic that they fear.....the list you refer to is called "main core". Or stay and fight the good fight ! Only 10% of men fought the british during the revolutionary war . It doesn't take many truthtellers to overcome the braindead masses.

@Tatzu...you're almost on the money mate ! But do you realize how hard the fight will be ? Every congressman, senator , and supreme court justice is in their pocket. And about mexico, study the war on drugs, the main reason most mexicans want to leave. The war on drugs is another US concoction. This isn't happening in a mexican vacuum. We import the cartels military weapons , sometimes we even train them at the school of the americas, so they can create this chaos south of the border, to drive illegal immigration. Read narconews, gary webbs dark alliance, the cia's work in afghanistan where the opium crop increased by a 1000% the first year of our invasion. We are neckdeep in mexico's drug business. And we profit on all sides, even the imprison-for- profit business in the US .

@brianl

then I humbly apologize. The sad thing is ....many people are really taking this attitude, so sometimes when sarcasm gets too close to reality, it's difficult to identify. There's no one I know who didn't support bush when he invaded iraq. It had us all fooled. The whole country ! Of course , 3 months later when he couldn't come up with those wmd's , things unraveled, and continue doing so. My point is ....patriotism is a dangerous state of mind. It makes us say and do things that are in complete opposition to our nature. And in my experiences, it affects the people you least expect it from. People that I've loved and respected. Sometimes you have to let those folks go. Anyway ....phew...you had me worried !

@brianl- good for you mate !

Does everyone here agree that Armstrong walked on the moon, or is that also a dubious matter?