Driftwood Cluster X Series 4:│Moon T8│Spizz T7

Martinnz11

Please How can I set my camera to 25p hwen i have patch??? thank you

Jim_Simon

Here's the files in question.

http://depositfiles.com/files/m9kxx1xqc

Gardner

Last day of production and I decided to use the Moon 8 hack for the feature film!

T1000

@Jim_Simon Would you mind posting your Moon T7/T8 comparison footage?

Jim_Simon

I ran a second round of tests, shooting the same scenes first with T8 and then with T7. It was largely quite difficult to tell them apart. Doing some pixel-peeping at 400% magnification, I thought I noticed less 'noise' from T8 in some shadowy areas of one scene, with the T7 shot seeming more...'ugly', I guess. But, looking at those same clips on a 50" calibrated plasma, as they would normally be seen, I'm not sure I could tell them apart in a blind comparison.

On two other scenes I did notice a somewhat 'smoother' look to the T8 clips compared to the T7, as others have mentioned, but that 'smoothness' actually looked like 'less detail' to my eye. (This might also account for the 'lower noise' of the other T8 scene.) Flipping back and forth between the shots in my NLE, the T7 clip just looked more detailed by comparison. This one I DID notice on the plasma under normal viewing conditions, with the edge going to the T7 version of those shots.

Jim_Simon

I ran some basic tests with Moon T8. It spanned fine in the Sandisk Extreme 128 GB card, which is no surprise. T7 always did as well, even at higher bitrates.

It is curious that T8 seems to use lower bitrates than T7. My impression with this first round of rudimentary testing is that T7 produced the overall superior image. I did notice some slight artifacting in T8 that I don't recall every seeing from T7, no matter how complex the scene I threw at it.

While I did test FSH and SH to see if they spanned, all the image quality tests were done at 24H, as that is the mode I use almost exclusively. As 30p is a non-standard, I never use and didn't check HBR mode so I'm thinking if the only improvements in T8 are for HBR mode, I may stick with T7.

frullaccia

Nebula is okey with my camera by now...

callan

@Maya
My take on moon T8 is that it is the best yet. Spans & plays back in camera. Not experienced this level of stability before. T5-7 all unpredictable & I began to suspect the camera. AVCHD 1280x720P 50P (PAL) SH Card 64Gb 95Mb/s Sandisk.. No luck with Nebula T8 though.

@driftwood additional donation sent Thanks for your devotion to the GH2.

Azo

@driftwood

Nebula T-8 very unstable card write error in both 24p and 30p modes. Took less then 1 minute on death chart. Panasonic lens, ISO 3200, shutter speed 50, smooth picture profile. Camera locked up on both occasions had to pull battery...

Maya

DRIFTWOOD 'moon T8' Nice Patch @driftwood. but, A humble request to the creator. Most clips failed to play in camera. this is really a worst thing. please sir do something to resolve it. i hope MOON T9 will have all the improvements with a in camera playback working :)

frullaccia

Right, nebula t8 is now the best hbr set.

Azo

@driftwood

Ok Nick, I thought I was done with testing any other patches, but your pitch for Nebula T8 is irresistible ;-) Specifically, Thee BEST HBR modes around ;-) Thank you sir for this patch I will test it this weekend when I have some time. I am surprised that you where able to get the HBR 30p mode stable at those bit rates (62-70 mbps), I will test it extensively and report back.

gietrzy

Thanks Nick, charging the battery as well as loading paypal.com You guys are as close to Panasonic as one can get, can you please ask if multi aspect is goining to come back? How you guys live w/o fast 12mm being fast 12mm? Thank you. Off to PP!

driftwood

@JayUKB No. Its impossible to mix All Intra moon settings with a longer GOP like Spizz as Encoder Settings 1 = 1 (All I or Intra) sets the encoder for 25p/FSH1080i too. In ptools, with Spizz notice Encoder 1080 Setting 1 = 3 (for IPB). If you set GOP to 1 and then Encoder Setting 1 1080 = 3 you'll get erratic playback of frame order within recordings so its a no go)

Mixing the two would give All-i moon style for 24p and 25pHBR/1080i50 but a 3 GOP 1080i60/HBR30p whilst the encoder setting = 1 forces it to ipp (not ibb). Try it you'll see.

Its much easier to mix 3 GOP or greater settings (e.g. mix Spizz with Nebula) but you still have to check buffers and allocated bitrate accordingly. This takes time and trial. I have released some GOP mixups (like ClassiX recently) and may well do Spizz/Nebula mashup (3 GOP PAL/6 GOP NTSC) shortly.

driftwood

*** NEW *** Driftwood Cluster X Series: NEBULA T8 (6 GOP all round).

features the Intravenus v4 Matrix

1080p24 = 90Mbps avg to 132Mbps Death Charts

1080i50/60 / HBR25p/30p = 62+Mbps avg to 70Mbps Death Charts

720p50/60 70Mbps avg to 78Mbps Death Charts

Including: Thee BEST HBR and 720p modes around. Try it against others. Look at the size of the i frames.

Nebula T8 features a very fine frequency matrix - namely 'Intravenus v4' on 1080p24 and HBR modes. 720p modes are slightly adapted but not that much away from the afor.

What you get is the best looking HBR setting Ive seen and one that seriously rivals the brilliant 24p recording mode inside Nebula. Could well be that this new Nebula 6 GOPsetting Ive designed is the best IQ around - it certainly looks that way when measured inside Elecard Streameye Studio, buffers, timers, matrices, Quantization, PSNR and HVS. But YOU decide!

JayUKB

Sorry to ask the same question again.

Would you be able to assist @driftwood.

Is there a way to 'mix' the settings into one hack/setting? What I'm thinking is Moon T8 for 24p and Spizz T7 for HBR/FSH....and something for 720p50/60 (your shout on the 720!!)

kris

@matt_gh2,thank you for your words, and most of all team PERSONAL view y Driftwood

Thank!

zsound

Hi, is there any chance to see a new hack with the 'Smooth Cinema' Matrix?

Thanks

matt_gh2

@kris Some real nice compositions here and some cool editing choices. Liked the music. Cool and unique. I'm sure couple was ecstatic when you delivered the end product to them. Very cool.

kris

Hello, here is some moments captured with moon 8 to 720p,

apefos

this seth is the spizz t7 modified to try to make it more stable and avoid diagonal noise (rain). similar settings used in my top modified flowmotion version 02.

callan

@ driftwood I've translated the hacks onto a spread sheet and on the face of it Spizz t7 should be less stressful on the cam/card. However when I look (under testers) at the differences between T8 & Spizz (testers) there appear to be big changes within the GOP related table.

Big thank you for all your good work

driftwood

@apefos I can tell just by looking at it your modification wont be stable. Try running 720p60 against a death chart, you'll probably get to around 10 seconds and it will fail.

apefos

try this modified spizz t7 to perceive quality/stability:

callan

Spizz T7 re-visited

Working in AVCHD 1280x720 (50P) PAL. (H). Card 64Gb 95Mb/s sandisk

Procedure. Load hack & then format the card. OK on all short clips but falls over on spanning. Will write 2 spanned clips and always fails/stops recording after writing the second. Camera locks up. Reset by removing battery. Can continue recording small clips but will again fail after 2 spanned files. Provided the camera has not 'fallen over' all clips playback in camera. Spanned clips will not play back in camera unless a brief clip is written to disc.

Same setup using moon T8: Fit full battery re-load moon T7 & reformat. Spans until battery is down to 1 'bar' when recording is manually stopped. Write short 'safety' clip. Playback OK in camera.

For me moon T8 is the obvious choice

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