@Wilbo

You know, there will be some adult cinema in my pocket when the cam finally arrives.. for starters. ;-)

Holy geez that whole sharpening detail back into footage.

@boo

Right now we're all using Tiffen White Water IR NDs but I'm about to do a pretty decent IR test with Schneider, Tiffen, and Formatt, their different makes. Putting together the list literally right this second and about to pull the NDs out.

Will likely have a BPC next week to thrash from now on so will do it with that, BV1, then head on to Epic and Alexa.

I'm pretty sure Tiffen White Waters will be the best bet for BPC and BV1, but I the test will be good to have.

Also, yeah it's kind of off topic but this stuff is important when it comes to maximizing image quality. Maybe it's time to start a new topic.

On Topic:

S16s look really great on the camera.

And on to PBs review....he's just pissed it doesn't say CANON on the side.

You don't think about it until it happens to you; it has happened to me. I've also accidentally formatted the wrong card, and I know other people that are far more neurotic than I that have done it as well when being rushed. Playing with data is NO DAMNED JOKE. The day ends with an insurance claim and the worst stomach ache you'll ever have in your life.

+1

And this is EXACTLY the argument PB would be making if it did say Canon on the side. But it doesn't... so every last detail is getting bashed.

If it were a $995 Canon RAW cam, the review would have gone something like this...

"Well, you can't format cards in camera... but that's a GOOD thing! On professionals shoots you just don't want to take the risk of accidentally formatting the drive and ruining you precious (and irreplaceable) recorded data! Extra drives are a miniscule price in comparison! Further more, professionals also don't delete clips in camera. That's for bloody amateurs! Thanks in advance for saving me a few headaches Canon!"

Remember the 5DIII review telling people the detail wasn't important because you can magically "sharpen" the footage back to life in post? Yea... right. There is some favoritism and bias going on... we all know it. I don't know why people are surprised anymore.

@vicharris @kholi Ok, I'll snoop around the bmcuser site. Thanks for the ND advice!

@vicharris

You don't think about it until it happens to you; it has happened to me. I've also accidentally formatted the wrong card, and I know other people that are far more neurotic than I that have done it as well when being rushed.

Playing with data is NO DAMNED JOKE. The day ends with an insurance claim and the worst stomach ache you'll ever have in your life.

@kholi Great advice on deleting clips! You never know what could save your ass in an edit.

@Wilbo Buddy, if you're going to use it for the BMCC, stay away from these Vari NDs. You need an IRND. Look over at BMCuser for the group buy section.

I had the LCW and I did a basic test with it and a Tiffen normal 4x4 ND and a Whitewater and the LCW, and a normal Genus were crap. Horrible color shift and anything past 50mm looked like shit. This was on a GH2 so a BMCC would be worse. The LCW ruined some long shots I did. I considered it a drink coaster at that point.

I do have some 77mm and 4x4 NDs I'll use for my GH2s but not for the BMCC. And as for reviews, I'm pretty much starting to think most are BS. I've had so many opposite findings as these "pro" reviewers have found.

Sorry if I sound so crazy but just a little tired of people telling me I don't know what I'm talking about when I'm looking at the difference on my monitor but I guess if people are just basing it of off one item, they really don't know what they are talking about:) Myself included!!!!!

@kholi ....oh man, so vari-nds are just a no no. I'm going from a tiny Gh2 to the BMCC. I don't want to have to rail it up and throw on a matte box on every time I want to shoot something outside. Um... would this work (BMCC or BMPCC):

http://www.amazon.com/EzFoto-Square-Filter-Compatible-Includes/dp/B00BDJ93JQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1377196695&sr=8-1&keywords=square+filter+holder

Still tempted to go the Tiffen vari-nd route but I suppose if I don't want to compromise the awesomeness of Blackmagic Cinema, I shouldn't... hmmm...

I never delete a bad take, ever. Sometimes there's gold in that bad take, and worse... if you're in a hurry and you accidentally delete a good take, good deal. That's why you can't delete anything in an Alexa or format in an Alexa.

I guess what I'm saying is that it's not an issue, a design flaw, or anything like that. It's just that some people won't like it and, oh well. Find another camera that you can do that with if it's that important.

@Wilbo

If that Tiffen doesn't have IR built in, stay away. Especially on these cameras.

@jrd, being able to delete a bad take is 'get everything right'? The Pocket lends itself to minimal rigs (unless you want to build it up). So if I'm docu-shooting on foot, why do I need to take another gadget with me just to delete bad takes? Or spend a small fortune on expensive spare memory cards because I can't?

This is cam 101, not 'would be nice if'. If it's not an issue for your workflow, fine. I'm always amazed how people on boards like this can't see past their own use-case and think if it's good enough for them, it must be for everyone. bzz fail.

But anyway ...

Just used Philip as another example of someone who's shot their cams, in case my opinion isn't good enough ;). Similar remarks from EosHD when he reviewed the BMCC (except of course both assumed they would get fixed in time).

They would be issues for me too - not dealbreakers (except raw), but I wouldn't trust BM to fix this stuff any time soon now.

Phil Bloom's Pocket preview, he's pretty irritated about this stuff

No beef with Philip Bloom, but what films has he made, which are of any consequence? These preoccupations don't seem quite sensible, for a $995 camera, unless your real business is reviewing cameras and talking about cameras and drumming up site traffic.

If BM, or any other manufacturer, waited to get everything right, the camera would be made obsolete before it was ever released, thanks to another manufacturer who was winning to release an imperfect product -- and would be mocked here, for being ridiculously behind the times. Don't most camcorders deliver all advertised features and conveniences like card formatting and sound meters? And who's buying them?