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Panasonic G6 topic, GH2 replacement camera
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  • I don't think much of Andrew's intellectual grasp or critical acumen. He is obviously an enthusiastic DSLR video hobbyist and has put a great deal of focused energy into creating and building a popular web site, but much of what he says is nonsensical to me. It's more of an unfiltered stream of discovery diary of an overheated geekboy opining about things he barely understands than an experienced pro sharing his wisdom. I find much of his site to be riddled with errors, misinformed pronouncements, and just plain wrong advice. All too painfully, it reminds me of how I used to write product reviews when I was in my early 20s, like Doug in "UP" shouting, "SQUIRREL!" and jumping up and down for a while before the next "SQUIRREL!".

    If EOSHD.com somehow got you interested in DSLR video and spurred you to drill down, fine. No shame in that. But to consider the site any kind of authority or source of expert opinion is a mistake, I feel. It's just a kid who buys or is swagged lots of expensive toys and blogs about them from the perspective of an enthusiastic amateur. That's not a sin, but it is also not anything more than a kid playing with toys.

    All that said, I absolutely respect Andrew's right to have an opinion and a web site, to have his say and let readers make of it what they will. He doesn't even begin to deserve to be called juvenile names and treated like a pariah. It's gutless to do so, and I would hope that guys here would knock it off. Every time I see someone do it I think oh, that guy too? Sheesh.

  • @ickejohannes @Mimirsan Don't know if it is something happening here against Andrew - AFAIK, Voldemort was is nickname here in PV. I don't know Andrew, but I like him and EOSHD a lot, together with PV were the cause that I've bought my GH2. :-)

  • @ickejohannes I know...you would think there be a bit of maturity on this forum?

    Anyway G6 nice. Would be nicer if these companies just make a cam like this with video ergonomics rather than dlsr. Its clear many just buy the for video use.

  • Shouldn't we stop the bullying and start calling Andrew Reid by his name again? I can't imagine any of you liking to be bullied in internet forums and at least he does stuff. Even if some people don't like it, that seems better than hanging around internet forums bullying people. I know there has apparently been some history with him in the past, but that doesn't justify bullying at all.

  • http://www.eoshd.com/content/10824/panasonic-g6-review-the-gh2-redux

    EOSHD has put up a review of the G6 for video, and it is very favourable about the G6.

    "When you consider the all-round package, the Panasonic G6 is the best mid-range interchangeable lens camera for video available. Image quality for video is unmatched for the price, although the Nikon D5200 is better in low light the G6 offers way more features and 1080/60p into the bargain. It also offers insane levels of detail at 1080p which the D5200 simply cannot match (sharpening in post or not). It has less moire and aliasing than the Canon 50D in raw or any APS-C Canon DSLR for that matter… Or a Sony NEX! Yet it offers 1080/60p into the bargain."

    Edit: "Go to Voldemort hideout..." LOL, I see what happened there.....

  • @cjdincer, the GH2 its worse in low light conditions, usable up ISO 800, but between ISO 1000, 1250 and 1600 is marginally acceptable, but already noticeable noise.

  • So long GH2. So long custom firmware. I'm sold to G6's feature set and SOOC color, details, and performance.

  • I'll buy the G6 only when there is a Firmewareupdate and the hack of Vitaliy - mud and artifacts in the green stuff

  • @manu4vendetta how is the low light performance in your opinion is it better than GH2?

  • I change my GH2 for a G6. :p

  • I'll agree 100% on promo videos @cls105. I know for a fact that they sometimes use other cameras for the footage of the camera being sold. Sucks, but it's how it is.

  • @mikelinn promo videos are not helpful. They are not credible or honest.

  • @Doctor The stabilizer shots were with a GoPro Hero3 Black. There are two zoom shots that are with a TM700. All the rest are with the G6.

  • @cjdincer I should say that I am speaking from my experience shooting AVCHD 1080 60p with a Panny TM900 and editing with iMovie. It used to take hours to import the media, rewrap and transcode before I could actually begin editing. And up until recently, many users of other NLEs, including FCPX, had to do the same. The rewrapping was extremely processor intensive, using up my Macbook Pro's 8GB of RAM after every 50 clips. On the other hand, when I insert the GH3's SDXC card (IPB format) into my Mac, the files can be imported directly into the timeline and I can begin editing right away, while FCPX transcodes in the background. (I switched over to FCP when I bought the GH3). Granted, I understand FCPX now supports AVCHD 60p, but the higher bitrate IPB clips are more amenable to color corrections than AVCHD. So to answer your question, no, I don't think anyone could tell a difference in image quality between AVCHD files and the IPB MOV files but the latter are easier to work with.

  • @c3hammer

    For the really wide shots in the most recent video you posted, which lens were you using?

  • @jonpais is that you're saying, one can shoot or create better videos with mov files (or codecs) than AVCHD. asking cause I am planning on buying a G6 soon.

  • Maybe this belongs in the GH3 thread, but here goes anyway. I'm sure the G6 is a fine camera, but if I were upgrading from the GH2, I would recommend the GH3 instead. First of all, I think many of the problems GH3 owners have mentioned (poor EVF, lack of peaking and zebras, setting info disappearing after 10 seconds, etc.) are greatly exaggerated. But the main reason to go for the GH3 are the codecs. And the MOV files are great to work with compared to AVCHD. Given a choice, I would never go back to AVCHD.

  • Thanks Andy. The big guys are elk and shot with ETC and the 600mm. There is one doe deer in there later on that was shot with the new kit lens hand held at 42mm and ETC. I have a whole slew of Canon L lenses and I'm pretty surprised by the quality of that lens for a kit lens.

    By the way that 1kg total weight is with both the new 14-42 II kit lens and the 100-300. You get a full overlap from 29.5mm - 1500mm equivalent in just two full autofocus IS lenses for video. Amazing days we live in is all I can say.

    Cheers, Pete

  • Impressive stuff Pete ! wow your video of the deer is great ! I wonder if Panasonic will make a G6 in Real Tree camo for you!! that would look cool! Im a G6 owner too but Ive not tested the ETC mode yet

  • As a former Canon user, I can say without hesitation that the G6 is an amazing cam in ETC mode with a 600mm AIS ED lens. From my testing the crop factor is actually about 2.1 x 2.4 x 600mm = 3024mm equivalent. There is no finer tool ever made for wildlife video as long as you have enough light.

    Add the fact that with a 100-300 you can get 1500mm + equivalent with IS at only 1kg total weight it simply blows all the competition away for long range high quality video at the lightest possible weight.

    Needless to say, after a couple weeks testing, the G6 is a long term part of my quiver.

    Here's my first real test aside from those clips Kurth posted a couple pages back.

    Here's hoping you can hack this thing Vitaliy !!!

    Cheers, Pete

  • Is there 1080p50 (not 59.95p!) mode at models that selling at BH, Adorama? Is It has same problem like GH3, where switching to PAL lack 1080p50 mode? Or it fully switching from NTSC to PAL?

  • which profile and what settings in aperature, contrast ect.