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  • Hey Maddog - thanks for the advice.

    The only time I would want to use Shutter priority is when doing some street shooting outside where there is always plenty of light but not enough time to adjust a variable ND filter.

    Because it's so bright over here, the camera will choose some pretty small apertures to get correct exposure. What I was asking is will apertures of around f/11, f16 and above see a degradation in image quality (sharpness) for video?

    The lenses I have are the 14-42PZ and 45-175PZ. The DOF and lack of aperture control is no issue. Just worried about diffraction etc and if it's as relevant for video as it is for stills.

    Cheers !

  • @deang001 The thing you have to be careful about when shooting video on Shutter Priority is you're allowing, or rather forcing, the camera to make exposure corrections via the only perimeters left.... f-stop and ISO.

    e.g. You're shooting in a darkly lit room with the shutter speed set at 50 and camera on Shutter priority. The camera will raise the ISO in an effort to get a proper exposure. When the ISO goes above say 16000 (and it will) you'll get terrible noise and therefore a terrible video. Shutter priority will work better outside with a lot of light. (Though you now have no control over depth of field as the f-stop will likely automatically go higher because it's so bright outside) On "S" the camera will quickly display what it is setting the ISO to when you half press the shutter release button on the front. Point it around the room and notice how the ISO on "S" mode will change drastically from area to area. The only benefit to shooting video in "S" mode is the camera will make the exposure adjustment when your say walking outside around the house and then into the darker garage area. This is assuming you're shooting outside where there's plenty of light everywhere. If the ISO only fluctuates between maybe 200 and 800 so you're safe. You can go as low as 30 on Shutter Speed while shooting 24fps. More burry movements but if you're not shooting anything fast you'll be fine. I try not to shoot video above ISO 800 and always shoot in Manual mode personally.

    Here's a good reference for low light shooting...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL5AE50B51597773AC&feature=player_detailpage&v=AZ9aIB57-Nw

  • "deang001 I suggest even that maddog15 is right for the golden rool, I suggest shooting with ss at 50-60 cause all the dvds except blurays and youtube, vimeo dont go over 30fps and they do that by deleting frames so, if you are going to have 25 or 30 fps with ss 100-125 depends what you shoot, means jittering and believe me, frame blending dont blent nice to the eye this kind of frames except if frames have close distances to each other, like 50fps 50ss so blending in 25fps will create something like 25ss (of course blury) instead of ss 100 that will create a frame with 2 blury frames one here and one there :P"

    Thank you for the advice, Starios.

  • Guys ... another quick question.

    Is there anything wrong with shooting in Shutter Priority in movie mode as opposed to Manual? I have the 14-42PZ and 45-175PZ lenses. Is there a huge degradation in image quality if these lenses are stopping down to f/11 & f/16 and etc? I see from reviews that there is in still quality, but how about for video?

    I ask, because there are sometimes when I just want to film stuff happening on the street and it's very difficult to shoot in manual and adjust a variable nd filter to get the correct exposure as it's quite bright over here in Hong Kong.

  • deang001 I suggest even that maddog15 is right for the golden rool, I suggest shooting with ss at 50-60 cause all the dvds except blurays and youtube, vimeo dont go over 30fps and they do that by deleting frames so, if you are going to have 25 or 30 fps with ss 100-125 depends what you shoot, means jittering and believe me, frame blending dont blent nice to the eye this kind of frames except if frames have close distances to each other, like 50fps 50ss so blending in 25fps will create something like 25ss (of course blury) instead of ss 100 that will create a frame with 2 blury frames one here and one there :P

    About iDynamic, I am not sure what it does but I dont like the effect of enlightening and darking my shots before I press record and keep the last brightness the camera thought would be right when I shoot, as I tested I may shoot twice the same frame and I am gonna have different brightness in two shots and I dont know what else may be different because the camera counted in the begining of my shot by itself the right settings :P

    3rd In about two-three weeks I am going to have my brand new OLD tokina tv lens with the risk of not working :P Well, I took the risk to buy from ebay this lens and I will upload my tests immediately, everything is manual, it is c-mount,12.5-75mm, aperture is from f/1.2 to f/16 (fading in and out, without gaps for stops) that is going to be about f/2-22 because of the c-mount 1.5x teleconverter I also ordered and then to m4/3 adapter (285 euros all). If this works means that the solution of fast and also zoom lenses it there, in old lenses, except if you have thousands to spend.

  • @Sph1nxster To be honest I don't even mess with iDynamic on my Gh3 after doing initial tests with iDynamic. I'm getting great results with flesh tones and tonal range in general. Plus I don't really like any camera doing its own post "magic" beyond capturing great quality video right out of the gate period. (Yes I realize i'ts "digital" videography so there's a certain amount of "magic" happening as soon as you press record.) I just prefer to shoot as raw as i can, then do what i need in post. Perhaps others have had success with iDynamic as I'm just one person with one opinion. Anyway that's my two cents. Hope it helps.

  • Anybody else found major differences between running the GH3 in high I dynamic mode and standard I dynamic mode when using manual lenses? I'm finding the standard mode much more reliable for getting better skin tones.

  • Thanks, Maddog15 for the reply and information. Very nice videos !

    I will try shooting with 1/100 SS this weekend and be in Manual mode as opposed to Aperture mode. I think most else regarding exposure is the same as photography, but they differ in so far as shutter speed choice goes.

    I really like street photography so want to do this with video as well. Things move pretty quickly on the street so while shooting in Manual mode is no issue, getting the variable ND filter adjusted quickly for a nice exposure if wanting to use a wide aperture will be challenging :)

    I had read enough before I went out shooting last weekend to have the settings quite flat (-4, -3, -2, -5), but I may try even flatter next time (-5, -5, -3, -5).

    Downloaded the Adobe Premiere trial and done a few tutorials from the website. The program seems very powerful.

    Thanks again.

  • @deang001 Check out the video links I posted just above on this page. Explains a lot for beginning DSLR shooters. Should answer many of your questions plus a few.

    When shooting video - shutter speed set at double the frames per second is the "golden rule". You can bend this rule but my experience has shown you need to stay in this range. Eg: shooting 60 fps at 125 will yield the most natural movement and clarity. Shutter speed set too fast will give you very jittery, jumpy and strobe like video instead of smooth motion blur where appropriate. SS too slow will give you soft and blurry video even with the slightest movement via camera shake or subject movement.

    Do a test with a (1) very high and (2) very low shutter speed. Both exposed properly via aperture. In both tests point the camera at your face held out at arms length. While standing and camera pointing at you at arms length, spin around 2 or 3 times slowly in place. (Don't get dizzy and drop the camera!) now look at the two tests.... You'll see what I mean.

    All things said i think you'll eventually find that Manual shooting (including manual focus) gives you the most control when shooting video.

    Hope this makes sense... I've not had my coffee this morning. Good luck!

  • Hi There. Great forum with great info btw. Very happy I found it !

    I'm pretty dumb when it comes to video and this is really the first time I'm trying it, but have been into photography for many years. I picked up a GH3 & 12-35 last week and have been shooting in MOV 1920x1080 50p 50Mbps. I have been shooting in Creative Video Mode (Aperture Priority) however I see many people shooting in Manual mode or Shutter priority with a fixed shutter speed.

    Can someone explain why they do this? What advantage is there at having a fixed shutter speed? There seems to be some relationship between the frame rate and the shutter speed.

    Should I be leaving my shutter at double my frame rate ... i.e. 1/100 sec?

    I should probably start shooting in Manual instead of Aperture mode as well I guess. I don't really want to shoot in Shutter Priority as I like to be in control of the aperture. I bought a variable ND filter last week as well because here in Hong Kong the sun is so bright it would make it impossible to use any open apertures otherwise. Cheers.

  • @starios - I didn't see you mention what mode you were shooting in (i.e. MOV vs. AVCHD). It's been mentioned by many users here and elsewhere that the MOV mode produces a cleaner image. Also, that lens you're using is crap in low light. You need something faster. Hopefully with a constant aperture throughout the zoom range. Fast zooms cost money. So I'd recommend primes since their usually much better in low light and available in a wide variety of choices for all budgets. But this might not be good for your type of work. I've only ever shot two weddings in my life. So I'm no expert in that type of scenario. That's extremely tough work (shooting weddings). Total respect to all who earn a living doing it.

    I'm sure there are other threads around. But I found this one pretty insightful:

    http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/859/video-friendly-lenses-for-lumix-dslrs/p1

  • I shoot with everything in -5 except the saturation I put it in -3 to get some colour instead of grey, but for sure never put saturation over -2, I dont think I am the only one who says that. I am curious for a "cheap" lense that I am not sure if its going to work. I am talking about tamron adaptall and adaptall 2 mount. If I understand correctly these series of tamron can be used with any slr with the relevant adapter that as I see in ebay these adapters are not as expensive as adapters from one brand of slr to another, and I found on b&h tamron adaptall 28-105 f/2.8 at about 500$ and adapter for micro4/3 in ebay between 25-40$. I am not gonna have auto focus at all but I wouldn't be able anyway to have auto focus under low light, as I test the gh3 I discovered that autofocus works only in perfect lighting conditions. If light is good auto focus is better from most of other slrs, probably the best. But in low light :( So does anyone know if the adaptall tamron is going to work with the appropriate adapter(Sorry for my english if I have mistakes and for the big post, I trying to fix noise problem as most of gh3 users)

  • @Dphotog

    Simply put, In camera sharpening and contrast can kill your image. Remember you can always adjust contrast, sharpening, saturation and color grade in post. You can't get back information once it's lost or over pushed to an extreme in-camera.

    It's a double edged sword. You can get what appears to be great contrast in-camera while shooting. But you can't do much when say your whites and/or blacks are crushed due to extreme in-camera settings for contrast. Shoot in the middle or soft contrast and you can always push contrast to your personal taste in post. There's still pixel information (dynamic range) there to work with since you've shot with contrast settings all the way down in-camera. Same goes for sharpening. You can get what appears to be a "sharper" image with in-camera settings while shooting. But over sharpened images in-camera also exaggerate and bring out aliasing and noise. Again once it's there it's a bitch to remove or correct.

    Check out these vids from Fenchel & Janisch They"ll explain all your questions in detail with examples....

    Hope this helps and good luck.

  • I shoot with the GH3 for weddings, and we have never denoised a shot yet.

    Dont go over ISO 1600 or use Auto ISO ever for video. The camera will ramp up to 6400 almost everytime in lowlight in AUTO mode.

    For very low light, film AVCHD 25p and you can dial shutter speed down to 1/30 if there is not much motion. Otherwise stick with AVCHD 50P and 1/50 shutter looks just fine.

    We also shoot +1 on Noise Reduction on Natural profile.

  • Using flat setting is about getting as much deatail as possible and have more options in post to create a look you like. Never had problems with noise using flat setting. Noise is probably from under exposing.

  • im still new to color grading and denoising etc... Can someone please explain to me what really are the benefits of trying to shoot it flat? Im finding my editing time horrid for rendering times because of having to Denoise footage 200% almost. Im using some friends settings and im not sure im getting back the detail by denoising things and sharpening them with Red software.

  • Hi, I am from poor greece and I bought (a friend photographer bought it for me and I shoot weddings to pay it back) the gh3 pal version with the ultra noisy 14-140. Unfortunately the only way for me to shoot in low light with this lense is by using neat video in premiere or whatever and wait 10-15 times the length of the video to export. I also can have a soft porno effect :) by shooting in 25p with 25ss full of motion blur but it's ok if do not have a lot of action in your shots. One thing is for sure, if iso is higher than 1600 the video is useless. My next purchase will be g-vario f1.7 because it's not so expensive and then I will start having focus issues but, make "art" with anything you have

  • @GravitateMediaGroup

    So far skin tones are good on my end. With all the reasearch I've done (with the GH2, GH3 and DSLR's in general) I've kept my saturation setting at only -2. Contrast and sharpness -5. NR at -0. Most other pro shooters I've consulted with or read about use a close varition of the above settings. The consensus seems to be, "Kick the saturation (Chroma) down a bit but push sharpness and contrast (Luminance) as far down as the camera will allow." This advice goes for any DSLR not just Lumix. So far this "set" of settings seems to work well. I have plenty to pull and push with in post. My humble opinion - if I take too much saturation or chroma out via camera settings that doesn't leave me with enough "accurate" pixel information to work with in any grading software. Eg: if you try to saturate say a grey pixel in post, the software really doesn't know which direction to go in the color spectrum.

    BTW: on the GH3 I use Standard and Natural

    Probably too much information. Sorry for that but hope this helps.

  • sorry if this has been discussed already, but has anybody else noticed nasty orange skin tones? It may have been happening because the saturation was at -5?

  • @feha Yes. The 20mm f1.7 was key in low light to reduce the noise.

    Straight screen grabs with no Photoshop manipulation, color or tonal adjustment.

    Settings: f1.7 • S.S. 50 • ISO400 • 1080 24p • MOV 72Mb/s All Intra • Standard -5 -5 -2 0

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    1915 x 1078 - 1M
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    1913 x 1073 - 2M
  • @Henry yes those are screen grabs, I'm working on the grade in Resolve which is a pleasure to use

  • I don't remember but i think it was -2,0,0,0 (standard) these settings i used often with Nokton 25mm 50mbps/50p MOV

  • @feha Very nice. I like the music bed also. What color setting and sub-settings did you use? (Eg: standard -0 -0 -0 -0)

  • @maddog15 , here is the video, ambient light:

    No processing ...

  • @flablo I appreciate the inspiration. The grabs are nice indeed. Perhaps I've been over zealous in my 2 1/2 week judgements. I'm looking forward to the 20mm and I bought an old manual 50mm f2.0 on eBay. Both should be here Wednesday.

    One lens has my mouth watering as far as best possible settings or results... The Voigtländer Nokton 25mm f/0.95. Rightfully so, it's about $1000. I would assume the "science" of the camera is limited most by the poor light "physics" restriction that a particular lens places on that camera. To paraphrase Drew from DREWnet, "You don't buy lenses for you camera collection, you buy camera bodies for your lens collection."

    Ill post a few grabs once I get the lenses.

    Thanks for the reply.