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New Black Magic RAW Cameras: Pocket and S35 4k, general talk
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  • jamesgh2jamesgh2

    I get it, I might pick one up and have used Alexa and BMCC on a couple of shoots. The problem for me is that nowadays clients ask for 60p slowmotion shots and even 120fps. This camera would be a dream with those frame rates in there.

    Its a great leap forward in DR but I have managed to make GH2 material cut in with RED and Alexa and they cant tell the difference. I am eager to see the noise characteristics, aliasing and look of this new camera. If it can produce an image as good as the original BMCC then its great.

    The best part of this is that Canon might wake up and finally deliver a good 4:2:2 10 bit output with a flat profile and above 720p resolution. They have no shame with the same 4yr old tech with moire and aliasing.

  • FilmingArtFilmingArt

    @jamesgh2

    Unless you need 13 stops????.........

    You just don't get it, if you have EVER used a camera with that much latitude you would understand. GH2/3 cannot even compare with their 7-9 (generous) stops of latitude.

    FInally at only $1000 you can continue to use your $600 GH2 and $1300 GH3 with this camera if you want higher frame rates. Black Magic Pocket Camera will change the world and those who jump on board EARLY will get their first.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Also, situation at NAB is exactly the same as year before, untrained personell who can't even tell you specs right most of the time.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @Aria

    This guys are also unique that they have 3 cameras having different sensor sizes (at least used ones).

  • AriaAria

    I have to say that with every moment and bit of info i'm reading the more i'm getting excited by the idea of the BMC S16. It's a really compelling idea at an unreal price. Just thinking about a compact MFT camera with high DR that I can use along with my GH is a GREAT prospect. I think they both will work together very well as a nice tool set.

  • AthirilAthiril

    @jamesgh2 the difference is the pocket camera will beat the GH2 in image quality. It's implied 4:2:2 10-bit, and a native 1080p sensor will have less losses than any camera not fully utilising a good down scaling method.

  • peaceonearthpeaceonearth

    I dont see this point of missing 50/60p To be honest in 18 months of shooting with GH2 I never used it or missed it either.

  • trevmartrevmar

    Or take the 30 minute limitation off their pocket 1080p, the LX7 LOLOL...

  • jamesgh2jamesgh2

    So you get a S16 Sensor and a top frame rate of 30p on a pocket sized camera with 13 stops DR.

    I still think the lack of higher frame rates i.e. 60p 1080 and or 720p 120 in this day and age is constrained.

    It's a great interview and 24p camera in your pocket with 13 stops DR. Still to see what kind of low light and Rolling Shutter it exhibits, I expect it to be poor in low light compared to DSLRs and GH2,GH3.

    Unless you need 13 stops, a GH2 or GH3 camera is already more versatile and has many more features like EX Tele mode.

  • CdeCde

    DSLR News shooter are streaming a 40 minute live Q&A with BMD in about half an hour (12PM pacific): http://www.newsshooter.com/2013/04/08/watch-our-newsshooterteradek-live-coverage-of-nab-2013-from-1200pm-pacific-time-tomorrow-live-guests-include-blackmagic-design/

  • xenogearsxenogears

    For me this is a kick between the nuts to Sony/Panasonic, they never have the courage to do something like this, although it was always my dream, a small camera with the best possible video quality and totally versatile.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    LAS VEGAS, April 8, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- NAB 2013 -- Blackmagic Design today announced Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera, a beautifully designed, pocket sized digital cinema camera that includes powerful features such as Super 16mm sized 1080HD sensor, super wide 13 stops of dynamic range, built in SD card recorder for Apple ProRes, lossless compressed CinemaDNG RAW capture and active Micro Four Thirds lens mount, all in an attractive compact design for only US$995.

    Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera will be demonstrated on the Blackmagic Design NAB 2013 booth at #SL218.

    Since the original Blackmagic Cinema Camera was launched at NAB 2012, it has been celebrated by industry professionals for its amazing film look and accurate and cinematic color. The new Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera has most of the features of its bigger brother, including its feature film look, but has been redesigned with a dramatically smaller size that is less than an inch thick and can be held easily in your hand.

    This compact design allows the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera to be used in more situations where a larger camera would not be practical. It's so small that it can be used in situations in the field where a larger camera could be dangerous. The camera's film look even allows personal video to be shot with the style and creativity of a motion picture film!

    The Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera features an industry standard Super 16 sensor size, so it's perfect when using Super 16 cine lenses via MFT adapters, as the shooting experience is the same as using the same lens on a Super 16 film camera. The 13 stops of dynamic range look of the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera is almost identical to shooting on a professional Super 16 film camera. The Micro Four Thirds lenses offer a wide range of low cost lenses with amazing image quality, and they are compatible with mount adapters such as PL mounts for large lens and professional motion picture film rigs.

    One of the most important features of the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera is its super wide dynamic range of 13 stops, allowing feature film quality images. A common mistake in the television industry is the assumption that more resolution means higher quality. Most cameras, even ones with higher than HD resolution, can produce"video" looking images that suffer from highlight and black clipping that limits details. Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera's wide dynamic range eliminates this problem and provides film quality with dramatically more detail retained in black and whites in the image. Once the shoot is complete, DaVinci Resolve Lite color correction software can be used to adjust images and take advantage of this extra range in the images.

    To eliminate the damage that low bit depth and high compression video storage creates, the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera includes a easy to use SD card recorder that allows the full sensor dynamic range to be recorded in professional ProRes 422 (HQ) format, as well as 12 bit Log RAW lossless compressed CinemaDNG format. These files can be read by high end video software as they are all open standard. In addition to the regular CinemaDNG RAW format, Blackmagic Design will also be implementing a QuickTime wrapper for the open standard CinemaDNG and companion codec, allowing the camera to record in a format that allows RAW editing in popular editing software.

    Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera has been designed as the perfect companion to editing software such as Final Cut Pro X and Avid Media Composer. Unlike other cameras, which require the use of custom video file formats, the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera includes absolutely no custom video file formats, and every file type included is open standard.

    The built in large LCD display makes focus easy, and allows playback of captured files. Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera includes a built in microphone, as well as external jack based mic/line level balanced audio connections. When reviewing recorded clips, audio can be played through the built in speaker and routed through the headphone port or micro HDMI output. The HDMI output includes all camera data such as timecode, transport control, shutter angle, color temperature setting and ASA information overlaid in attractive anti aliased fonts.

    "This is an extremely exciting camera and its been amazing to work on. Our original Blackmagic Cinema Camera was small, but this new model is so much smaller than the original, we almost cannot believe it features very similar image quality," said Grant Petty, CEO, Blackmagic Design. "We think customers are going to really enjoy this new model and use it both personally and professionally. It's going to allow shooting in situations that could never have been achieved at this quality level previously. It's also going to be the camera that thousands of new up and coming cinematographers use as their first camera for their independent films. It's going to be exciting!"

    Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera Key Features

    • High resolution 1080HD Super 16mm sized sensor with superior handing of image detail.
    • Super wide 13 stops of dynamic range allows capture of increased details for feature film look.
    • Compatible with extremely high quality Micro Four Thirds lenses. Compatible with other mounts via common third party adapters such as PL mount and Super 16 cine lenses.
    • Built in SD card allows long duration recording with easy to use media.
    • Open file formats compatible with popular NLE software such as ProRes 422 (HQ) and lossless compressed CinemaDNG 12 bit RAW. No custom file formats.
    • Features all standard connections, including mini jack mic/line audio in, micro HDMI output for monitoring with camera status graphic overlay, headphone mini jack, LANC remote control and standard DC 12 power connection.
    • Built in LCD for camera settings via easy to use menus.
    • Supports 1080HD resolution capture in 23.98, 24, 25, 29.97 and 30 fps.
    • Compatible with DaVinci Resolve Lite color grading software.

    Availability and Price

    Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera is available in July for US$995 from Blackmagic Design resellers worldwide.

  • kazuokazuo

    @shian,

    "Yup, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying fuck Canon and their stupid lenses. but you're right E mount or X would make more sense than EOS - except they still can't get past the fact that they seem to think Canon is competition - if you do this right - you make 2 versions - one for those idiotic Canon lenses, and another for the real filmmakers."

    LOL +10

    yeah fcuk Canon lenses, i have always avoided them like the plague. Nikon is not far behind

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @Trankilstef

    It is not new info, some shops just like to jump on preorders :-)

  • TrankilstefTrankilstef

    More infos here : http://www.newsshooter.com/2013/04/08/blackmagic-design-4k-super-35mm-cinema-camera-ready-to-pre-order/. It seems CVP says it'll come in EF mount and m4/3 mount. Strange.

  • JaskettiJasketti

    If there really is MFT version of 4KBMPC then I am sold. ( unless and unlikely Panasonic offers anything near in options or pricerange). Looks like my ship just headed to the Black Magic woodooland.

    Should be interesting to see what others have to offer.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    It seems that the 4K super 35 BMCC will come in m4/3 mount

    It is just speculation, m43 mount must not allow to proper lens mount without vignetting.

    Or may be they plan to put Metabones stuff on it?

  • WhiteRabbitWhiteRabbit

    M4/3 mount diameter may be too narrow for 4K S35 sensor size. Might have to be Sony E-mount, FZ-mount, or other. If EF-mount only released first, grrrrrrr. I can't use my cine glass with an EF mount adapter, again...

  • TrankilstefTrankilstef

    It seems that the 4K super 35 BMCC will come in m4/3 mount : http://www.creativevideo.co.uk/index.php?t=product/blackmagic_cinema_camera_4k_mft

    Maybe it's an error on the website but let's hope !!

  • jazzroyjazzroy

    Original BMCC must go down in price.

    Who's going to pay 3k$ if for 1k$ more you have 4K and S35 sensor?!

  • sicovdplassicovdplas

    Someone please tell me there is 50fps 1080p or 2,5k

  • bwhitzbwhitz

    Is it too much to hope for a some original BMCC updates?

    -Global shutter mode option with reduced DR (11-12 stops instead of 13)

    -60fps Prores

    -New price of $2000?

    Probably not, but I'm calling it out anyways... :)

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @tinyrobot

    It won't be discontinued, as whole prices thing show that they made entries on bottom and on top.

  • tinyrobottinyrobot

    I bet the BMCjello will be discounted soon. Seems like these guys are full of surprises.

  • B3GuyB3Guy

    @Vitaliy_Kiselev

    Of course I don't know.

    But I'm with you all the way on global shutter. I've been trying to shoot some car/vehicle stuff this month . . . yuck. Rolling shutter really is frustrating in some situations.

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