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FreeFly MOVi - very expensive handheld stabilized system
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  • I am a Scorpio Stabilized Head tech. We don't call them gimbals. The Mōvi looks interesting but trying to see price difference vs Zenmuse. There are also advantages for home built with Alexmos etc. Really, $15,000 isn't much for our business - we use $400,000 heads, but I want to get my money's worth. Will be at the NAB show if anyone there wants to talk. Planning visiting Freefly and I will be at Service Vison's booth.

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev Of course a dolly and crane will give you more controllable footage but the setup time is far greater per shot and you are locked into it once you set up. This sort of system allows for much much quicker setups and more spontaneous camera work. Also a shot that they suggested could not be done using existing methods would be to chase a small child through a narrow gap in a fence seamlessly following it through to the other side without break away sets and scene shifting. One operator passes the camera through the gap to another op on the other side. This is the sort of shot that is now much more capable of being achieved in limited budget. Anyway I believe it opens up far greater options for a low budget production if the cost of the gear is amortised over the films budget.

  • Cheesycam is starting to list the cheapo options but not giving many links other than the zenmuse. Looks interesting. Exciting to think of some possibilities on a GH3 but I agree some issues with framing and what not. My plan has been a cheap jib, a handheld rig and a $5,000 hexacopter solution, I think I continue in that direction when it comes to moving the camera for now, unless we see something that really works for GH size cameras in the $1,000 or less range along these lines.

  • If DIY made for GH3 for me would be great, i don't use bigger cameras :-)

  • A home made 3 axis would be a boon for an indie. Imagine hand holding an in car shot. or maybe all those skateboard videos. You can extend the usefulness for stylized shots. Imagine hand holding a truck-in where the camera does a complete 360 degree on the Z axis and lands perfectly level. That would be a very costly shot. I do think a vest would be helpful against fatigue. It really is all up to finding proper motors. all the electronics and MEMs are already out there. Check the OpenPilot forum.

  • Any camera will work with it, including cheap HDSLRs, and it will still save a mountain of time to get similar/same shots. It is costly, but I wouldn't say it takes a lot of skill. It's the same skill for the guys that control the gimble on my copter. Most of them can pick it up in an hour. It can be programmed to be very "soft" to the touch so even noob's will have success.
    For the heavier cameras, there will be mounting solutions. Someone will have this on a steadicam before long.

  • With the MoVi you can run-n-gun.

    Actually THAT is BS. That's what they want you to think and you totally fell for it. Look at the footage again. There are so many screwed up shots in there, with heads cut off and poor framing. It's partly because you cannot use this thing on eye-level, but mainly because it needs a lot of practise to coordinate the operator's moves and the remote control of the camera's pan/tilt. And all of that only works if you have a really good focus puller or else you will end up having to redo that 'spontanious very cool fly around the whole place' move dozens of times.

    The campaign wants you to believe that you just pick it up and it works it's magic, but it doesn't. It's seems like a great tool for certain scenarios, not more but also not less.

  • That's BS. There is nothing worse than a cheap crane and flexible dolly track when you have a heavier camera like the 1DC or Epic. And you still have to SET IT UP. With the MoVi you can run-n-gun.

    Yep, you have to set it up. And I mean here mostly people who shoot of cheap HDSLRs, not Epic users. For most indie guys it is simpler to plan the shot, rather to depend on very costly solution requiring very skilled operators. Plus shooting on this thing with Epic is possible for short amount of time only.

  • @ Vitaliy That's BS. There is nothing worse than a cheap crane and flexible dolly track when you have a heavier camera like the 1DC or Epic. And you still have to SET IT UP. With the MoVi you can run-n-gun.

  • Looks good huh, as I understand as well as acting as a gimbal and can also be controlled as a motorised head on a crane etc. Once it is also hooked up to a Steadicam style of vest I see it as an amazing piece of kit. If people want or need it they will buy one, and I guess it should be one of the cheapest on the rental market which would be the best route for the indies!!!

  • So the revolution I see is in how you can use this to totally change the way you shoot.

    Again, it is not so. Even cheap crane mounted on dolly moving on flexible rails will make much more stable and fluid footage.

    Main target here is situations like Rambo's. Shooting from copters, moving cars, etc.

  • Of course as a one off purchase this looks ludicrously expensive (to the indie crowd) but in the scheme and budget of a feature film I'd say it's fantastic value for money. Even on commercials you could make your money back in a few jobs, by saving on tracks dolly crane ( to a certain extent) . Obviously there will be people who make it cheaper but I think the game changing aspect is more in the shots it opens up to you with the smaller form factor. So many crazy camera moves spring to mind I find this really inspiring. In the short there are fantastic low angle street shots in front of cabs in New York that would have cost the budget to have setup let alone shoot on a traditional car rig etc. So the revolution I see is in how you can use this to totally change the way you shoot.

  • @P13DM the princip is same as for this little GoPro , just needs bigger construction. Would like to have one for GH3 :-)

  • Ive been emailing MultiCopter and Accessory manufacturers for the past 12 mths trying to get them to adapt their gymbal system to a handheld device and ALL of them ignored me. Good on FreeFly for recognizing that there is a market for this type of stabilizer and doing something about it, even if it is a little out of my reach purchase wise.

    May be it'll change soon :-) As I understand goal of FreeFly - they wanted to make solution for larger cameras.

  • Ive been emailing MultiCopter and Accessory manufacturers for the past 12 mths trying to get them to adapt their gymbal system to a handheld device and ALL of them ignored me. Good on FreeFly for recognizing that there is a market for this type of stabilizer and doing something about it, even if it is a little out of my reach purchase wise.

    I don't need 3 people to operate for my application, i will just do what i currently do, press exposure/Focus lock button on the GH1/2 and engage recording with button press or external shutter remote and start shootin".

  • If what MOVI is doing is such a no brainer then why isn't it a big selling item already in production and use everywhere? Too many people on this forum LIVE for the idea of being non conformist and going against the crowd, hating on guys like Bloom and Laforet for being successful and making some money pushing products... come on guys it's petty. As for the price, people are allowed to charge what they want to charge for their products and if the market doesn't support them that's the only real final judgment on that decision.

    Seems to me they're trying to make a quality product that can handle any size camera and that's gonna make the cost higher. Also build quality is important. Everything can't cost $5.00. There seems to be no end to the number of technically knowledgeable members here so if you see a product that you think cost too much, go and figure out how to make one cheaper yourself. JUST STOP HATIN. We've been blessed with a ton of great cheap products, not everything is gonna fit into that niche.

  • Can someone post the specs of the motors? i have an openpilot controller for a Copter. It uses excellent MEMs for stabilization.

    If you can build the carbon fiber rig, and find equally powerful and sensitive motors, the software electronics side is not that hard.

    I read but don't completely believe, they built their own motors. With the small quantity they will sell of this that makes no sense. Even high end Hobby motors are made in the 10s of thousands or more. There must be a suitable direct drive motor available that can produce equal performance.

    Remember with the MEMs, they are affordable because they are in every smart phone and every Wii controller. I'd like to build my own like this.

  • Hats off personal view community! PV is the only community that does not blindly buy the 'revolution' hype and promotion from Laforet.

  • This one works great ...

  • The cheaper versions won't be far away.

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  • If this is eventually available for under $500 per day rental then I'm renting for every job I shoot on water. I hope they weather proof it some what.

  • It's a new tool for the trade. Sure, others have mounted their gimbals to a handheld rig before and made a little youtube video, but Freefly made it sexy and paired up with people that have big followings.
    The sensors are the easy part. I think the hard part is writing the code that interprets the sensors and moves the motors. It's expensive now, but isn't every new piece of technology?

  • @Faudel , thats not good, this will not work out in the space, no gravity ... :-)

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev you should make videos like this guy :p

  • @Faudel

    One you referenced is just in some factory or military variant, mems sensors inself are just very small chips.