Very clean image in low light f3.5 s50 iso 3200.Still do not understand how mts file are so small and are so clean. Noise is uniformly distributed . Testing will continue tomorrow during the day. I'm curious how it behaves 720/50p in slow motion. Seems very little under 40m.
@puttydivision GH2 has 720 50p for PAL land and 720 60p for ntsc land.You can choose between them in menu /setup/page 3/video out/pal or ntsc.Restart and format.
I think I just upgraded my GH2 with Cluster X Drewnet the same way you put better and faster graphic card to your computer, so awesome!!!
@driftwood: cheers for all your efforts. I really love that new cluster X line. And its great to see that someone is still pushing the GH2.
So as @gravitatemediagroup asked, i would like to know if you consider the new drewnet superior to moon? You spoiled us with so many good settings recently, i feel like getting from the supermarket in a socialist country to an american supermarket which has 2000 types of candies for the big kids, spoiled and clueless (death to neo-liberal-imperialistic-capitalism btw!)
@Mirrorkisser Both good. You guys decide!
'moon' is intra 24p and 1080i50/HBR25p. 1080i60/HBR30 is 3GOP, 720p 3 (PAL) and 6 GOP (NTSC), motion behaves wonderfully and quality is excellent in all scenarios. Most pictures resolve Q14-16 avg. Its very easy to edit being all i frame.
Long GOP 'DREWnet' can resolve higher i frames and very low Quant values (around 8-10 like the GH3's IPB Long GOP settings) using prediction to justify the fewer bits needed to resolve the same/better picture quality. It can be harder to edit/make cuts at the right place (nearest i frame has to be used).
Each have their benefits - each have their fans.
Dude, moon its absolutely insane! Thanks!
Friends, Try Moon it's good. It's average patch but the quality is similar to top notch patches. @driftwood can moon be used in wide shots?? Nost -2-2-2-2 is the best for moon I beleive. K let us know if u have more tips to share.
@rajamalik Its not average! Its like a fine bolly of wine (maturing with age as we go along...) Moon is great for wides.
Average? It grades like cheese!!!!!
Yeah, moon is probably one of the best patches to hit the scene since the first Intrav IMO
Average ???? ..LOL
"moon" is the best setting that was ever produced for the GH2!!!!! It performes distinctly better than a GH3!!!!!
...average ^^ ...that's the joke of the year ;)
And stay away from nostalgic unless you have to have the extra details in the shadows. Come on man :)
I would have to agree that calling moon average is like calling sedna "ok" moon is in my top 3 patches yet.
I believe he ment bitrate is average but quality is top notch. ;-) Really gotta check out moon, reading the comments it sound like its very mature allround patch for anything that does not require spanning.
Bitrate is not average. It's up to 150mbs. That's not average!!! Unless I'm wrong on all my measurements and 5" is average too!!
Do any of the Custer X patches have reliable spanning? I have a shoot with interviews and beauty B-roll coming up and I would love to use Moon. But if my take times are short I should use an alternate patch. Which leads me too...what's your favorite patch for spanning/long takes?
Thanks.
I tried Moon trial 3 but unfortunately there was some pretty muddy looking shadows in a plant pot. In general noise was a lot higher than I had been led to believe
@rsquires What settings were you using?
@driftwood thanks for the kind remarks earlier and the patches!
Here's something a little more complete than the earlier test, shot on 'Moon' and the 20mm with an LA7200 on it. Processed with 5D2RGB, cut in FCPX. Quite a bit of DiscoveryCam Jib work in the second half for those interested. Vimeo makes a hash of the bit of gorillagrain and touch of 'Classylook' added to the footage, download the 'original' if you want higher quality.
@puttydivision. I just tested spanning for Moon Trial3 using Panny 14-140 with Sandisk 64GB 95MB card zooming to cover the TV screen for recording. 24H mode spanned twice before I stopped it. However, the HBR stopped after recording 9:30 minutes and 4GB file. FSH and SH did not span but FH/H did span with no problems. However, earlier I had tested Cluster X 6GOP Nebula Trial4 and it spanned in all modes except SH.
whats the difference between trial 4 and 5 on drewnet? i used trial 4 extensively today and it was absolutely superb.
@driftwood I tried out Moon Trial 3. No problems with sound playing back in camera. (You were also right that AN Boom audio plays back fine in NLE). Is there any way I can get AN Boom v1 to playback in camera for when I want to review clips. This is helpful for us, because we run separate sound...so we watch/listen to a take of a scene in camera playback, to see if we basically like it. If the AN Boom stays choppy with the audio playback, I won't be able to review the clips with in camera playback. Wondering if you may have a solution?
Regarding Moon Trial 3 - I had no problems. Streamparser showed my 24P footage coming in at 67Mbps. Saw it was supposed to vary between 88-150 in notes, but I guess 67 is pretty close to that.
Bottom line: this Moon is pretty incredible. I'm sticking to Boom for the film I'm on now, because I like the particular look of it. But I have a future film project in mind that I think Moon will be great for. There's something special about this Moon setting. Well done. Thanks for all your work Nick. I've attached a frame grab from Moon. One is ungraded, and the other is the same shot graded with a luma curve adjustment.
I think the bar has been raised. The potential for composition, detail, and character with this setting is almost scary. You almost really need to bring your A game, just to match the quality of the setting. It's like shooting with a RED camera or something...you just think..."This is high level stuff, I better bring the goods and deliver high level qaulity shots"
Will do more thorough test tomorrow and report results, and post a few clips.
@Doctor 24p Smooth I think. Because the shot had hi-light and shadow, the shadows needed under exposure, so I brought the whole picture down. Not ideal I know but it's a stress test I always do.
Anyone try Boom vs Intravenus II vs Moon?
I wasn't impressed with Intravenus II vs Canis Majors (CM looks better on a large screen imo).
Moon looks intriguing. I need high-motion shots (sports), so would Moon be the most superior hack available?
Driftwood posted this, so did I understand correctly regarding motion? "However, the Intra 'Moon' setting offers better average frame sizes, motion and Quantisation than any 3 GOP like 'Spizz'."
@defier I've sorta tried that. I shot a recent trailer with all shots in Boom (v1) and the opening shot of actor in Intravenus 1. I've posted that below. I did a test with Moon and pulled some frame grabs (with and without grading). Those are just 2 posts above this in this thread. When you compare you'll easily see the difference in the look and style of the 3 settings.
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