@qwerty123 I am using frequently old manual Nikkor lenses as well as Canon FD lenses. Are you still searching the answers? It was more than 6 months ago when you asked....
@tetakpatak I could use the feedback. May be others as well :)
In terms of optical quality, many Canon FD and FL prime lenses are very good even for today's standards, some are excellent. Since the introduction of mirrorless µFT and NEX cameras, old Canon lenses are constantly winning popularity and the prices are ricing- some of them like fast, popular lenses have reached virtually their old prices (inflation not accounted) like when they were still in production:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060228063807/www.canonfd.com/pricelists/pricelist1986.pdf
Unfortunately, there are barely any in-depth reviews regarding FL and FD lenses and none of them covers whole Canon's production line.
On µFT and NEX cameras, the adapters for FD lenses are in most of cases perfectly usable also for FL lenses: if the vertical shift (for full-aperture) is a screw, it can be removed within seconds.
IMO, Canon FD lenses worked simply the best on Canon's SLR cameras they were made for. I still use them on my T-90. They reproduce fine on the µFT sensors, but less good on APS-C sensors (like Sony Nex-7) where wide angle FDs show their flaws. Canon FD zoom lenses in general don't perform on digital bodies as good as the modern zoom lenses do, I void using them.
The multi-layer "Super Spectral Coating" (S.S.C.) is superior to "Single Coating" (S.C.) and it was introduced already during first generation of FD lenses (with breech-lock). The glass of the second generation lenses, "new FD" (which are mounted like bayonet-mount, by rotating whole lens) is coated in general with S.S.C but it is not ingraved on the front anymore. There are only few exceptions, like allegedly the nFD 50mm f/1.8 lens.
After all the years, I own a small collection of old Canon FD and FL primes, from wide to tele. I will list now the lenses I know very well. My short comments are regarding usage of those lenses only on the µFT cameras (GH1 and GH2) with crop factor x2, both for still photography and for video:
Vintage Nikkor (Nikon) non-Ai, Ai and Ai-S lenses are cosiderably more expensive than most of other vintage lenses for two reasons:
- Nikon has never changed its F-bayonet mount
- Nikon has never changed the flange focal distance of its F-mount lenses
Regarding the fact that Nikon's flange-to-film distance with its 46,5mm is longer than by most of other brands, Nikkor lenses are perfectly adaptable to many camera bodies with simple mechanical F to x-mount ring adapters.
The third reason why Nikon is more expensive is of course high quality of many their lenses. There are fortunatelly many good reviews regarding ald Nikkor lenses, and it very important here, because not all Nikkors are top quality in terms of optical performance. Their producing line offers lenses for everybody: from consumers to high-end pros. But when you know which lens to buy and if you're lucky to get good sample, you've got a high-end quality for bargain price if compared to Leica or some other brands who offer the lenses in this quality range.
I've been using Nikon and Nikkor lenses since mid '80-ies and as rule of thumb I would just say: Nikkors reach their full quality when stopped down: on FF or APS-C sensor or film, the best results are around f/8 to even f/11 for slower lenses but on the µFT sensors use only 1-2 stops as after 3rd stop the diffraction will start to be visible due to physical limitation of the µFT sensor. For videos, even 4 stops work fine, but your exposure and ISO will have to be adjusted to light loss. Here are some of the Nikkors I know really well:
Hope my experience with the vintage Nikkors and Canon FD lenses will be helpful to some of you, fellows.
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@tetakpatak Thanks for the detailed review.
Did what you typed got bungled into two massive paragraphs? It has become little difficult to read. I don't why the indenting do not work. You may edit the post by adding '+' at the beginning of a paragraph, so it will be converted to bullet points and provide some relief while reading. May be there is a better way.
Anyway there is a lot of information and appreciate it.
My brother offered to send me an old Nikor 200/4 lens to try with my GH2. I'd like to know what kind of mount adapter I should look for. Are there more than one kind for Nikor lenses of this vintage?
BTW, I'm using a very cheap ($30) adapter from ebay for my Canon FD mount 50mm and 28mm lenses, and it seems to work fine. I'm hoping I can get by with a similar cost adapter for the Nikor lens. Any advice / suggestions would be appreciated.
In addition to my legacy Canon lenses, I currently have Panny 14-140mm, 14mm and 20mm lenses. Any clues about how the Nikor 200/4 will compare to my current lenses?
That Nikor 200/4 is one hell of a long ass lens on this camera! Better have that puppy locked down with zero breeze! You can use the same kind of cheap adapter for the Nikon mount glass too. The quality control is not the best on these but try one and see if it works. I went through 3 brands before I found one I liked and worked on all my N mount glass.
This might be useful http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2010/02/still-lenses/
I use a set of Nikon AIS primes since they are cheap, optically excellent, mechanically wonderful and are built like a tank. I've used newer AF lenses and the feel of the focus ring just puts me off entirely, no competition.
About 6 months ago someone loaned me their Canon 28mm F/2.8 AF brand new lens, so I compared it to my 28mm F/2.8 Nikon AIS. I mounted both on the GH2 as a reference and found that the Nikon matched the Canon for sharpness and contrast. You could barely tell the images apart. So without taking into account edge sharpness and falloff, since I couldn't see the edge of the lens, the Nikon lens made 20-30 years ago matched a brand new Canon lens. The Nikon actually had more pleasing bokeh as well as it has 7 aperture blades. I think the Canon had 6. Have not had any other lenses to compare so not conclusive, but it's great to see the old AIS lenses holding up today.
Have never tried an old Canon FD so can't comment on that.
Thought I'd jump in here add my 2 cents on a topic I love. Bit of background, I have been shooting Canon FD since it was announced back in about 1972 or so. At the time, my best friend was firmly in the Nikon camp, so he and I had endless debates over this topic. We also shot hundreds of rolls of 35mm B&W. Over the years I stuck with Canon and eventually built up a collection of about 30 lenses which are today all the FDn style. My main point of this is that from that era, both the Canon and Nikon were on average pretty much equal. Each had their star players. The Canon 35mm f2 (esp the thorium element version), the 24 f1.4, the 35-105 f3.5 were all highly regarded. I don't remember too much of the Nikors other than to say they were all good. Compared with todays computer designs and optimized for digital sensors, maybe not as much, but I really enjoy being able to shoot both stills and especially video using some of my old favorites.
I described so many lenses here months ago, but didn't say clearly what do I think about comparing old Nikons vs old Canons directly:
Both Canon FD and MF Nikon lenses perform in general about same good for video shootings on GH1 & GH2. But old wide angle primes are in general less good than modern ones IMHO. For video they are still OK, but for the stills most of them have mighty CA's. I have tried recently many of my old MF wide primes on bigger APS-C sensor (Nex-7 and its mighty 24MP sensor) and there they perform even worse than on the µFT, especially wide Canon FD primes perform quite bad in the corners.... but this gets off the topic now. The flaws of wide primes are less visible on 1920x1080 so those same lenses are quite good for videos, though. From 50mm onwards, vintage Canon and Nikon lenses are in general very good for video purposes.
It is rather matter of taste who prefers Nikkors, or who prefers Canons. In general, Nikkor lenses have just a bit colder colors than Canon FDs, IMO. For video, I don't see quality differences in general, while for still photography I prefered Nikkors very clearly since ever. But both are excellent, it is not possible to say that either Nikon or Canon lenses are better.
Good thing about the µ4/3 cameras is that one can use perfectly well the lenses with good centre and less good corners (as we don't see the corners), such lenses are much, much cheaper. FD lenses are getting more expensive from month to month, "L" FD lenses are already out of reach for smaller budgets. Nikkor lenses are more stable though also their prices raised since µ4/3 and Nex cameras were released. As adapters one can use top class ones just as good as cheap ones, just beware of bit smaller DOF on cheap adaptors which almost always overthrow the point of infinity focus.
No other posters mentioned super-tele, mf lenses for video...so I'll mention my two recent buys and some comments. I've shot nature video for 23 years with a huge range of setups from modest Panasonic 200CLE, to recently, 3-chip Sony broadcast HD cameras with Canon 40x HD lenses (w/2x built-in extenders!) and enormous O'Connor tripods. The university that "gave" me that setup for several years recently lost funding for outside shooters and do all nature video in-house. Bye-bye massive, but amazing nature filmmaker setup.
I had to come up with my own affordable solution that shoots great video. The timing couldn't have been better, as the DSLR video explosion was upon us. I started in 2010 with a Canon T2i and am now using the GH2 (and am thinking very seriously about the GH3). At first I rented huge Canon primes for projects, then found decent performance with a borrowed Canon 100-400 zoom. Since returned to it's owner, I absolutely wanted to replace it with a better quality, still affordable lens.
I found a Nikon ED 300mm f/4.5 in very good condition for only $200 and with an inexpensive Fotodiox converter on my GH2, was well-equipped for birds and wildlife. There is minimal/tolerable color fringing, but stop down to f/8-16 and it mostly goes completely away. The downside of this lens is focus is opposite broadcast video lenses, which may be merely annoying for someone who sets up controlled shots, but is absolutely flummoxing (may not be a word, but still I persist in wanting to keep "flummox" alive and well) for a nature shooter who needs to react to a moving bird...half the time I instinctively turn focus "backwards" or hesitate to think about the direction of focus ring turn. Anyway, both options are a major fail when attempting to get the fleeing bird!
Last week I bid on a mint-condition Canon fd 400mm f/4.5 SSC and got it for <$400. It focuses "properly" for video, is lightweight and on the GH2 is a downright monster for wildlife stuff. There is minimal/tolerable color fringing, but stop down to f/8-16 and it mostly goes completely away. Once again, Chinese adaptors are very inexpensive.
Traditional video lenses have iris rings on the lens barrels. Videographers using pro-style gear always shoot in full-manual mode, both focus and iris and are composing the shot and following the action, too. When shooting wildlife in a natural setting, you may have to shoot the moving creature while reacting quickly to changes in light/dark. Having the manual iris ring located on the lens barrel is much easier to turn with the left hand vs taking the right hand off the panhandle to roll the iris wheel on the camera and then moving the right hand back to the panhandle...all the while attempting to smoothly follow the critter flying, running or moving unpredictably. Older/legacy/vintage telephotos have manual iris rings on the lens barrel. However, newer Canon lenses and some other major brands have camera-controlled iris. This is a major disadvantage to smoothly filming wildlife movement and manually adjusting iris, when necessary.
I took the Canon 400 to Willcox, AZ a couple days ago to film Sandhill Cranes. When I watched the footage on a 5 year-old Sylvania HDMI screen, was stunned by the sharpness and color rendition. The details of feathers is resolved as well as any pricey prime I've rented. This lens is a keeper...my primary prime! I can only imagine the cost of these lenses going up, so if you want to bring distant objects much closer or nearby objects seemingly under a microscope, get an affordable super-tele, mount it on your GH2/DSLR-of-choice and shoot away.
Google the lens you're interested in, read the reviews, bid on it, buy from a super-high score (99.5-100%) Ebay seller with a return policy you can live with, check on craiglist.org or even buy from a camera store selling used lenses. My experience with the biggest camera store in the Phoenix area was they had a Nikon 300mm f/4.5 non-ED lens, pretty beat-up for $299 and were willing to sell it after some conversation for $249...Still $50 more than the same model lens I got a week later on ebay. Except, their beater wasn't ED glass, the focus ring was very difficult to turn and the lens was, uh, a beater! As always, buyer beware!
Thanks, everyone, for all the great info on Canon vs Nikon. I, too, have used both for many, many years -- and now on a pair of hacked GH2 cameras.
But I've had to pick one (Nikon, since I own more of their lens) over the other (Canon, as nice as they are) since, as earthwhile already mentioned, they focus to infinity in opposite directions -- and it was driving me crazy!
My questions is (kind of off topic?): Does anyone make a "follow focus" whose rotation can be reversed? I.e. set it one way for Nikon lens, and the other way for Canon lens -- so that you always end up rotating in the same direction no matter what lens you use ?
I started with both FD and Nikons. Since I still own a Canon body, I ended up selling the FD in favor to Nikon. I thought the FD's were nice considering they have a solid feel and mine were well dampened.
For my shooting style, I prefer it lighter and quicker to flick. The optics on the Nikons are great on the GH2 and just as awesome on my Canon body.
my lens: - Nikon 28mm F2.8 AIS (awesome lens with awesome close focusing, makes it super fun to walk around with. And makes me want to try the 24mm version) - Nikon 50mm F1.4 AIS (great low light, I tried the F1.8 and F2 versions, just got this for the extra stop in low light, but use it at F2.8 or up usually otherwise) - Nikon 55mm F2.8 AIS Macro (tack sharp of course, not much else to say) - Nikon 135mm F2.8 AIS (dam it's sharp)
I own a Canon 24-105 F4, which is the cheapest L-Series zoom, but I find it good for all around shooting. But with the GH2, I want to keep it light and discrete, the Nikons help in that field and give an awesome picture. Also with the focusing direction, I had a Tamron zoom for Canon and found later that it focused in Nikon direction after buying the Canon 24-105mm.
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Thanks for the excellent read and suggestions!
Good work @tetakpatak excellent write up of lenses.
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