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GH4 4K Panasonic video camera, official topic
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  • @DailyFilmFixm, I am only two weeks in owning a BMCC, had limited use, just some basic indoor tests and configuring the rig, while I finish editing working. What I did find was while shooting a shot with a particular foreground object in focus, at an angle where the background window screen was also in focus at one point, the cross hatched pattern of the semi-translucent screen completely messed up the shot with moire patterns, and I was using very old soft lenses. I can see why some people simply can't use the BMCC camera on certain paid gigs, just in case shots were spoiled, not picked up on set and deliver files to producer that simply are problematic or difficult to fix in post. That said, there are instances where the resolution and detail that the BMCC can achieve, partly due to not having an OLPF, is simply remarkable. In staying on topic, I am leading this to say that it will be interesting to see how the GH4 compares to previous models in the world of moire. DailyFilmFix, good to know you're already on top of moire in clothing at your auditions shoots, just have to be aware of the surrounds, as you do. If I had a choice, I would sacrifice some sharpness and have a BMCC with OLPF at point of sale, if the choice was available or if the camera had to be one or the other. I can't wait to see the GH4 moire test results.

  • @Ian_T That's what I said too.. the BMPC 4K is looking way to good for it's price point and quality & about the YAGH will see how it panes-out.

  • @whiterabbit Thanks for the info. We'd advise subjects to wear solids to combat moire. I'm currently following that rule with the GH3, but with Citizen, I forgot it on one interview. But your comment about the global shutter on the BMPC is revealing. I will be looking into that...

  • @RRRR Wait...is that the "Brick's" price standalone or bundled with the camera? From what your statement suggests the body alone will come out to around $1,6999 USD. Still high...but maybe doable for some.

  • @DailyFilmFix, the BMPC (BM4K) likely has interest for many shooting greenscreen because of it's global shutter. Tracking and compositing footage sourced from cameras with rolling shutter can be problematic for post, global shutter will be an advantage, and compositing from 4K source will also be helpful, yet require more hardware resources in post.

    If you do decide to purchase a BMCC, remember that it does suffer from moire in some instances, and your wife is probably not going to be able to control all the talent's clothing attending auditions. The good news is Kholi has been testing an OLPF for BMCC EF camera, hopefully this will soon be finalised and released commercially, then for the MFT mount BMCC. As for the BMCC, if you're strictly intending to use it for ProRes recording, you may consider selling the license/USB key in Resolve to recover some of the camera purchase price. That is, if you're not a keen colourist or have comfort grading in your NLE using standard tools or other tools like Colorista II or the like with ProRes HQ files. GH4K is also interesting, and looking forward to see what the folks here come up with after some hands on and post.

  • Sorry for adding fuel to the pricing discussion but I think it could be good to have appropriate info here.

    I have a preorder in for the body only at my "local" (national) retailer for approx. 2300 usd. Brick is priced at roughly 3100 usd. The biggest camera gear retailer here in the nordic countries has the same prices.

    Mind, those are straight conversions of todays exchange rates (SEK - USD) and theres 25% VAT included. At best, prices here w/o VAT (25% off) are similar to US pricing, more often stuff is more expensive.

  • @Trackzillas...I'm not sure if I agree with this (fully)

    ... enabling 4K 10bit 422 via Micro HDMI port will make decrease YAGH sells by 95% guaranteed, that's their only selling point for really selling the YAGH..

    I think its real selling point is the XLR feature and basic "pro" connections for the Professional users. This is what people were asking them for. It turns this hybrid into a real professional tool. I also don't believe the hype some people are suggesting about the "brick" being $2,000+. That does not make any sense. Several hundred dollars maybe. I could be wrong but I hope Panasonic doesn't shoot themselves in the foot with this. If they keep it reasonably priced then more people would spring for this add on.

    Oh yeah,... Kholi's video on the BMPC made me pause big time. I was so set on the idea of this GH4K (still am)...but...RAW...4K....God help me.

  • An interesting comparison between the GH4 and the Canon C500.

    http://coffeeandcelluloid.com/panasonic-gh4-the-4k-is-cool-but-this-camera-is-way-more-groundbreaking-than-just-resolution/

    "I’d say that’s comparable to the Canon C500, a $20,000 camera, except unlike that camera the GH4 can actually record 4K without the need of an external recorder. Of course they’re not equal – the C500 has a Super 35 sensor and RAW 4K, but that’s up to you if it’s worth an extra $17,000 (plus an external recorder if you actually want to record 4K). Of course if you’re interested in RAW 4K, there’s the Blackmagic for $3000, but you’re not going to be running-and-gunning with that camera. It’ll be interesting to see the Zacuto 4K shootout once all these camera’s are officially out."

  • Guys, let us not speculate on the prices, let's talk about features, bitrates, ergonomy, codecs, design etc, cause there are very good ideas and oppinions around. Don't make this carefully moderated community look like a rumor driven bunch of morons, please.

  • I've loved being able to use all my Nikons ... even the older ones which are actually "cooler" in look, with just a $70USD adapter on them. Coupled with a Panny or two and an Oly, the choices are pretty durn far-ranging.

  • @endotoxic

    And to think that there are almost as many Olympus lenses that it can use as well. Not to mention legacy 4/3s lenses and then all of the MF lenses. M4/3s is alive and kicking.

  • $2,199 for just the brick would be absolutely crazy. I guess they think of us as pretty stupid, if that's the case.

    How about stop third circle of same prices speculations?

  • Lumix lineup of lenses is pretty high, for such a young brand, GH4 will have no problems on focal lenght when using original lens.

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  • @aldoega $2,199 for just the brick would be absolutely crazy. I guess they think of us as pretty stupid, if that's the case. There's nothing in the unit that warrants this kind of massive up-tick in pricing. Even that it would cost more than the camera with 4k video sensor would be beyond comprehension. You'd hand an entire segment of the market to Blackmagic or someone similar.

  • Hi all, I think I know the answer to this, but if I want to shoot with the GH4 and just use the highest 1080p mode (200 Mbps)...Can I use my old SD cards?

    I know Panasonic and Sandisk are releasing ultra high speed SD cards in time for the GH4, but I wasn't sure if that was only for 4K footage.

    Anyways I have a bunch of SanDisk Extreme 32 GB 45MB/s and a 95 MB/s or two. Was wondering if they would all be useless inside a GH4.

  • I hope, Panny will plan to make 4k recording from full sensor size without crop on production version

  • There is NO WAY it's going to be $2199 for both. Just look at the general price range of OEM XLR and SDI accessories. The Sony XLR thing for the A7 or a99 is $800, and it only does sound! $2199 does seem a smidge high but I just don't see how it could be less than $1500.

  • I don't think the combination will come in under $3,000. Personally I don't much care because I'm not interested in the interface. Could probably rent one if absolutely necessary, or wait a year or two for the price to drop.

  • If $2,199 is for both camera and brick (with lower street pricing), then I definitely will be one happy camper. That would very much help Panasonic's sales figures too. Almost $4,000 for both would be a deal breaker for many.

    I guess we'll know for certain pretty soon.

  • @VK I couldn't agree more. Panasonic really screwed up with the GH3's EVF.

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    That's great news as the EVF was one of the biggest letdowns of the GH3.

    If you ask me, this guys need to recall GH3s and replace optics. As it seems like design issue.

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  • According to Panasonic chief engineer Inoue via DSLR Magazine, the GH4's EVF optics are much improved over the GH3's (abysmal) EVF optics, now using bigger lenses including at least one aspherical element. That's great news as the EVF was one of the biggest letdowns of the GH3.

  • Slow clap for Vitaliy's takedown of whiners. This camera looks AMAZING.

    To answer Kholi, I'd say anything up to $2,500 body only would get a preorder from me right now, so $1,700 sound great.

  • @igorek7

    I saw several new features just looking at the menus. All good stuff there. Thanks for those links.