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2K BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera, active m43, $995
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  • I did the $1.00 pre-order from HotRod Camera... hope it's good.

    Also, as far as crop factor goes, I've heard of Super16 being referred to as both a 3x crop and 2.8x crop... can anyone confirm the specifics?

  • @QuickHitRecord

    Active area closer to center, and most importantly, any hack turning on full sensor area becomes meaningless.

  • I noticed the odd sensor position as well. It is clearly a design choice. What would be the reasoning for that?

  • LOL! They forgot to center it ;)

  • Yeah, I just pre-ordered to secure my place in line. If you have the funds, you don't have much to lose. I predict people will be able to sell these for a profit when supply doesn't meet demand again.

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  • @GravitateMediaGroup

    I do not mean that they'll charge you, I said that they want your money.

  • @vitaliy_kiselev

    they are "not" supposed to charge you until it ships.

  • It might use a crop for a little more hacked resolution. It is also low frame rate, maybe hdmi recording.

    The 4k says records raw in 1080, but no bayer at 1080. Also nice hack target for frame rate and ext record. Does pocket produce raw 1080 from higher res?

    Nikon J1 used Aptina s16 sensor that can do 4k 60fps. How come not in BMC.

    At others: gopro black edition already does 2. 7k video mode.

  • @Tungee78

    4x Schneider Xenon 25mm f0.95

    Hoarder!

  • Oh ok yea. Got it. That makes more sense.

    Never mind, yea, it would be a f2.0. Nice!

  • @bwhitz Yeah 0.7x is correct for the Speedbooster MFT version, but it's multiplied rather than subtracted, so the 3x crop becomes 3x*0.7x = 2.1x.

    EF mounts will work too, apparently. The Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 would become a super sharp 23-34mm equivalent f/2.0, which is very attractive indeed.

  • Oh yea, I wasn't implying using the speedbooster with that lens. I just meant in general, that Computar lens would give also good DOF control, compared to using "whatever lens"+speed-booster. Should have typed it more clearly...

    But that's good to know the crop is closer to 3x. Is that the right figure on the Speedbooster though? .7x of reduction? Giving you basically only a 2.3x crop (from FF-lenses) on the Pocket Cinema's sensor? That Tokina 11-16mm f2.8 lens would be perfect with the speed-booster. Making a very nice 25-37mm f(1.8?) zoom for wide stuff!

  • @bwhitz The crop on this camera isn't 3.5x, it's closer to 3x. And Speedbooster can't be used on lenses that are already covering roughly the same sensor size. It works by focusing a lens onto a smaller area, so using it with a Super-16mm lens would cause bad vignetting. Speedbooster is designed for use with Super-35 Cine, APS-C, APS-H, and full frame lenses. But yeah that looks like a really good lens! 12.5mm x 3 = 37.5 is a nice focal length.

    The Olympus 12mm f/2 is really nice too though, and I like the idea of LANC focus control for steadicam use. It also costs about 10 times as much though.

  • 3.5" LCD screen in matte.

    Hope this is an improvement to the usual glossy displays... Anyone think Zacuto will pop out a 3.5" screen adapter for the Z-finder?

    Will that cute new steadi-cam curve suit this? Guess its all lens weight dependant. The steadi smoothee will balance an iphone 4 which clocks in at about 140grams, think a gopro is 75grams sans the case... According to BMC website the pocket cam is 355grams which may mean the merlin is more suited..

    the thing with such a small and light form factor is how to stabilise and give it some feeling of weight and significance when you move it.

  • You can use more lenses on this camera without vignetting than any other camera that I know of, while at the same time having the capability for shallow DOF with a Metabones Speedbooster if that's what you need.

    I wonder if this will be the standard go-to lens for this camera, it's pretty dang fast and chap as hell! Probably get great DOF options with it, even without the speedbooster...

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/FAST-COMPUTAR-1-3-12-5MM-SUPER-16-C-MOUNT-LENS-BOLEX-16MM-MOVIE-CAMERA-MORE-/281047387289

    What would the total crop factor be with the Metabones speed-booster on this? It would take the 3.5x crop down to something like 2.7x right?

  • CMOS sensor rolling shutter skew is related to sensor readout speed. A smaller sensor readout area usually means faster readout, given the same sensor technology and the same binning.

  • Does anyone know if a smaller [vertically] cmos sensor, like on this new camera, could equate to less skew in rolling shutter? Thanks in advance.

  • At first I was surprised by how small of a sensor they are putting in this camera but after thinking about it a bit, I've decided the sensor size is actually pretty genius. You can use more lenses on this camera without vignetting than any other camera that I know of, while at the same time having the capability for shallow DOF with a Metabones Speedbooster if that's what you need. This means that you have a quite a bit of control over DOF, if you can afford a speedbooster and a decent number of lenses.

    I'll probably sell my Voigtlander 25mm f/0.95 (I've used this lens a ton and keep wanting to love it, but it's just a little too soft wide open to justify its cost, when I'm consistently stopping it down to f/1.4 or f/2), and pick up an Olympus 12mm f/2 for medium-wide angle steadicam work, and for most other things use vintage Nikon and Pentax glass with a Speedbooster. Being able to use a LANC controller is awesome for steadicam work, too.

    The only thing that I think I'm going to miss having on this camera is an articulating screen. That pretty much means that I'll need to keep my field monitor.

  • Wish we could get some sample footage for this thing.. it would be nice to see the output.. Sounds good, but it all comes down to what the footage looks like.

  • @Tungee78 That's insane... but real nice collection now you'll be able to put it to good use. Gonna rack my lens collection as well.

  • @Sangye Better believe it the time has come when technology vs cost ratio is none factor, myself I was shocked at the announcement I was thinking 2-3 years seeing that kind of tech in such small body..

  • This little camera changes EVERYTHING for ultra low-budget filmmaking! If it delivers on these specs, it will by leaps and bounds be the new best deal for sub-$2000 camera packages. It's going to be ideal for discrete shooting, or carrying places where any bulk is a major issue (e.g. backpacking, mountaineering, large crowds, etc). On larger productions it looks like it'll be a perfect B-cam, especially when paired with a BMCC or BMPC-4K, or as a crash cam, or to bring when location scouting.

    My main concern at the announcement was rolling shutter, but looking at that video that @stip posted on page 7, it's not even that bad. Definitely nothing that a little processing couldn't fix. To me it doesn't look as bad as any DSLR I've worked with, including the GH2.

    I'm going to sell my bulky GH2 rig (cine cage with handles, matte box, FF, etc) and pick this camera up as soon as I can. This time around I'm going to keep my rig minimalistic. I'll get a lightweight steadicam system, and maybe just put a Metabones Speedbooster on it for use with AI/AI-s Nikon glass (28mm f/2, 50mm f/1.2). That'll give me a Super-35 aesthetic in RAW / 10-bit PR422HQ with 13 stops DR, for $1500. I still can't quite believe it...

  • Strange they're saying it doesn't write RAW while on the BM website it says it will record RAW.