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New Black Magic RAW Cameras: Pocket and S35 4k, general talk
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  • squigsquig

    LOL What's an extraordinary Russian like?

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    For ordinary guys like me, global shutter is more important than extra stop of DR.

  • bwhitzbwhitz

    If there's a DR trade, it's for Global Shutter

    Yea, this sounds like it could be the case. I remember the original BMC2.5k sensor specs had a global shutter mode with a DR reduction of a stop or so. This new 4k model could be something like 13stops of DR with rolling shutter, or a "Global Shutter Mode" option with 11-12 stops for situations that might bennafit from the trade off. It would still be cool even if that was the case...

  • squigsquig

    Don't hold your breath Vitaliy.

  • squigsquig

    Just completely insane. Unlike 3k for 3k I expect these guys will deliver, eventually.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @B3Guy

    You don't know all the things. May be they know that some big guy will announce external raw recording optionf for their cheap HDSLR cameras in next 2013 models.

  • B3GuyB3Guy

    I suspect that they have sorted out their supply somewhat, if not for the 4K cam, for the 1080p cam. They must be anticipating a high volume of orders for the 1080p cam right out of the gate with it priced so low, I can't imagine they would green light it without a fairly hefty manufacturing setup in place. The BMCC was their first ever camera, and they probably learned a lot first round.

    Maybe not . . . but I don't think they're idiots.

  • squigsquig

    M mount would be the best option, good for manual and EOS glass. E mount is the next best option and already speedboosterable.

  • Lincoln11Lincoln11

    @shian I love what they're trying to do, but there's people still waiting for their pre-ordered Jellocams

    I just got an email last week from Abel Cine Tech that my BMCC had arrived...7 months late.

    Fool me once...

    I'll just keep using my R1 tank with overcrank until next year when the 4k actually ships.

  • kholikholi

    @danyyyel

    If there's a DR trade, it's for Global Shutter, at the sensor not an external peripheral aka RED's new "motion mount"... which has existed in another form (similar concept) for a while now.

  • danyyyeldanyyyel

    I think people are completely mistaken about the delivery of these two cameras. Perhaps the reason these two are announced now is to ease up the fiasco of the BMC 1. The problem was not black magic production but the sensor. As the CEO said that having a whole warehouse of parts and production staying idle was not a pretty sight. Mor so about the investment and lack of revenue. I am sure BM went in search of other sensor manufacturer to try to find a replacement or alternative. In the process they got someone that had the production and quality control to make the BM factory working.

    The second effect is that so many people are going to push a sight of relief and thank BM for taking time to deliver BMC 1 because they will put their money in BMC 2.

  • danyyyeldanyyyel

    They don't specify the DR for the 4k camera? I hope they are not trading Dynamic range for just the sake of resolution.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @jazzroy

    In this case, they need E Mount. And it looks like story with BMCC will continue :-)

  • jazzroyjazzroy

    @Vitaliy_Kiselev I'm not so sure about PL mount. With this price tag, features, shape and possible rear connections they are clearly aiming at a mid-low budget market. Indipendent film makers or small companies can't jump on the PL wagon if only the camera is cheap but the lenses have Hollywood prices. And big productions will still buy RED or Sony due to pro form factor of their products, allowing modularity, proper connections, etc... So a low budget camera with a high budget mount would have no market in my opinion.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @shian

    I think PL mount makes more sense. Or E mount, but for lower end camera.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Just thoughts

    NAB 2014. Blackmagic announced 8K camera for $2995 and 4K m43 camera for $995.
    On continued questions on shipping date of cameras annouced at NAB 2013 they answered very clearly and optimistically: "It'll certainly happen before next NAB".

  • shianshian

    Yup, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying fuck Canon and their stupid lenses. but you're right E mount or X would make more sense than EOS - except they still can't get past the fact that they seem to think Canon is competition - if you do this right - you make 2 versions - one for those idiotic Canon lenses, and another for the real filmmakers.

  • jazzroyjazzroy

    E mount or X mount would be best solution, allowing every kind of lens and also Canon's EF with metabones adapters.

  • jazzroyjazzroy

    Would you make a camera with a mount/sensor combo that makes lenses for that mount useless, so that the active mount is there for nothing?

  • shianshian

    i wouldn't use M43 lenses on it, duh - but I wouldn't have to dismantle the mount to put PL or anything else on it for that matter - with M43 you can get adapters for anything - EOS...not so much. Nobody is dumb enough to put M43 glass on that thing.

    They're gunning for Canon users, so they made it so Canon EF users to have access to their stupidly designed non-manual aperture lenses. But they missed the boat. No serious filmmaker uses lenses that aren't fully manual.

  • jazzroyjazzroy

    @shian they can't go m43 on the 4K model, it has a S35 sized sensor, which is not covered by m43 lenses!

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    yes, you are right! 4K raw S35 for 3395 is quite unbelivable, considering kineRAW has a higher price point and is all chinese!

    kineRAW is quite different beast, small volumens, and quite long time in development.

  • peaceonearthpeaceonearth

    @shian for the S35 the EOS mount will be not too bad. Probably most m43 lenses wont fit for the larger sensor.

  • jazzroyjazzroy

    @peaceonearth yes, you are right! 4K raw S35 for 3395 is quite unbelivable, considering kineRAW has a higher price point and is all chinese! if it's true all the market will be earthquaked.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    I made separate product topics (as it'll be hot thing).
    All general talk remains in this existing topic.
    And specific products and specs are discussed in their topics, as usual on P-V.

    Product topics

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