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Anamophic lens vs Cinemorph filter
  • I never tried an anamorphic lens, but have seen very exciting videos.
    I wonder what would be the low budget solution ?
    Would Cinemorph filter make it work ?
    Or what would be the cheapest setup ?
    Also any tips where to find optex anamorphic lens ?
    Have seen nice footage made with this and 20mm 1.7 pancake ...
    think it is: OpTex 58mm anamorphic attachment, does this work same as anamorphic lens ?
    "The OpTex 58mm anamorphic attachment has been designed to optically squeeze the recorded image so that, when played back on a widescreen television set, the image will fill the 16:9 screen without any black bars at the top and bottom. Suits Sony PD150 and VX2000."
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  • @otcx not just aspect ratio, the magic of anamorphic is its mixture of FOV with a scale and depth compression impossible for spherical lenses to achieve. Daylit, deep focus (stopped down) anamorphic photography still has a quality that normal photography doesn't have and that's when bokeh and flares aren't part of the image.

    It's the right choice for a lot of people though and serves their needs fine, I recognize that though.

  • @feha Yes. Same product, but i would recommend the product being manufactured from vid-atlantic.com

    @BurnetRhoades True. It is not real anamorphic, it just add anamorphic style effect, and unlike true anamorpihic you will lose some pixels when converting to anamorphic scale.

  • It would be more accurate to say these are anamorphic bokeh and flare filters. They're cool artefacts but barely half the story.

  • @otcx i don't see anything concrete ? Any video sample, any pictures of the product ? OK i found:

  • PROlike Anamorphic Lens Filter Template 58mm & 52mm http://bit.ly/NeLtgt

  • I wanted to throw a few ideas out for you DIY guys and also for you for profit guys.

    1st. If you are using filaments that can be colored, what would stop you from tie dying your fishing line?

    2nd idea is that you could potentially make color flair from other elements other than just fishing line. As long as you could suspend something, there exists a potential for adding an element of randomness to you color. Think prism's, gem stones, and other refractory type materials. You could easily get light test fishing line that was virtually invisible and get small stones with holes bored in them.

    3rd idea... Why are you only using unidirectional patterns for your filaments? My first thought was to have a lattice like structure or a fractal like structure. Think about tying all your fishing line from one point on the side of the lens but spreading out over the lens similar to how the old japanese rising sun flag has lines radiating from the "sun". Then interconnecting fishing line in grids from other points. Think about it like weaving. With the line itself carrying the potential to be colored and a grid pattern, I could see the potential for some very interesting flair. Also, it could be beautifully subtile if the right size line or other objects are used.

  • I also want to go anamorph! So much Hollywood4free once you bought it.
    Sadly they are really expensive and rare now (at least for my budget)
    What abour building one yourself with the raw right lense ? From what I have seen most adapters only consist out of a single anamorphic lense. Any ideas who could sell high quality, cheap (ehn.. yes, i know...) unmounted anamorphic lenses?
  • freaking awesome
  • Here is some ANAMORPHIC vs CINEMORPHIC footage intercut, back to back. Anamorphic lens was an Isco 1.75x and the CineMorph was the 58mm.

  • @kazuo they're on EBay.
  • Anyone tried the Isco-Gottingen lenses? Trying to find them, apparently quite hard cos they are out of production, and like Leica R lenses, belonged to a generation of technology that has passed.
  • Seek and you shall find. I bought a Kowa 16-H with lens clamp and filter attachment from Ebay today, for $600. A lot of the current prices for anamorphic lens are ridiculously high due to such increased demand. Every now and again you will find bargains though, if you keep your eyes peeled.

    @LPowell what do you think the chances of us ever seeing an anamorphic patch that is MJPEG 25p? Sadly living in PAL land makes the 30p patch next to useless. I'm guessing we need to wait until the new firmware comes out to see if they make any tasty changes?
  • @LPowell
    You're right. No savings there! The adapter that
    I've got is an 0WA-7X93-00 to 0DS-1609-58 adapter
    ...which makes the century anamorphic into a WA lens
    if you spend another $1,200.00 for the WA adapter.
    I don't have a catalog, but I remember there was an
    adapter for the bayonet.
  • I think I have a converter....
    but can you tell I don't like em...
  • @bubba
    Whaddya bet that Century Optics 16:9 converter on eBay has a bayonet mount on the rear end...

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Century-Optics-16-9-Anamorphic-Lens-/320756307265?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aae90d541
  • How 'bout this... There's a Century Precision Optics anamorphic adapter on ebay now for under $500.US Buy-it-now.
    Don't they usually sell for over $1K ...a deal?
    Make your own decisions/ draw your own conclusions.
  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev
    my apologies my almighty moderator, and deerest hacker of all, i wasn´t tryng to start a war, or even a battle, i just got piss, i´ll be more careful next time, and try not to change the topic, but my argument remains... but i will say no more, probably there is people in the communty that find the direct info of VidAtlantic useful...
    love & peace!
  • @lolo

    This topic is not about DIY vs ready producs war.
    As you can see from the topic it is about particualr product.
    If you don't like something here you are free to make your own topic about DIY filters.
  • as cowpunk says:

    "If you want to save the bones, then make one yourself. But if you don't have the time and want something that just works when you take it out of the box, the cinemorph filter does just that."

    that is the fucking point... specially if there is no really technical difficulties, or technology advances that limit the perform of the DIY v/s $
  • Hey, guys - I know that it's possible to create a DIY anamorphic filter, but I wanted to say that a broadcast network that I currently shoot for is currently using VidAtlantic cinemorph filters on the show I work on, and it works a treat! It's very well made, robust, and does exactly what they advertise. A DIY solution is not really an option for this show, and we've had some great work done over the past few weeks with it.

    If you want to save the bones, then make one yourself. But if you don't have the time and want something that just works when you take it out of the box, the cinemorph filter does just that.
  • @VidAtlantic thanks for all the insight into your filter! FYI, I would buy a blue flare filter with out the "oval" in a heartbeat! Some "fishing line" filters I have seen also use multiple fishing lines, and some are actually glass. What have you found regarding multiple lines? Is it overkill? Visible in footage? What about the glass ones (is it scored glass?) These are incredibly expensive. Could this not be don in an 82mm circular filter for cheaper?

    Thanks!
  • @lolo nothing disrespectful towards you and nothing was directed at you. Light loss doesnt come from using glass, it comes from the oval anamorphic bokeh element. And maybe you'll understand why I'm here when you read the title of this thread topic, I'm here to inform on the topic at hand, not to make a sale.
  • @VidAtlantic


    in the end your product is just an overpriced pretty fishing line... and with the DIY you can focus, and also as it doesn´t have any glass you don´t loose any f-stop, if you want to make it look fancier is just takes a little bit more of work...

    btw, i will not reply to your possible comeback because it will be like arguing with the dude from the video... pointless

    ...and this is just a reply because your selling argument is against all the DIY... i´m not against your product i´m against your fucking seller attitude, in a community forum...
  • Essentianlly, the inner elements of the CineMorph have both an oval bokeh shaper (specially machined as every little imperfection shows up in the image bokeh if not cut properly) and a streak/flare element, all on a rotating filter frame so that you can align the shape and streak after mounting the filter to your lens.

    It also has front threads so that you can mount ND, Fader and other filters or accessories.

    We've been working with many big directors and DPs in the music video and film industry with this filter for awhile now. They've come to us because they dont want fishing line with rubber bands, or cutting cinefoil with exacto knives or any of the other DIY methods that dont allow you to focus your lenses properly or use other essential accessories. Some of those methods would look very unprofessional on the set of a shoot for a paying client or if you're filming Rihanna or Britney's video.

    We think at $139 right now, its a fair price, especially when other streak filters start at $300 and go way up.

    We'll also have a streak filter (possibly with colored streaks) coming soon on our site. It will not have the oval anamorphic element.

    There are plenty of people who can make a DIY Zacuto Z-Finder out of a diopter and a cup, but in the end most people would prefer a professionally machined and assembled unit while on set or in front of clients. Rubber bands and fishing lines can look a bit silly, and we have yet to see how you can rack or pull focus on your lens while using some of those methods.
  • I have an FD-M4/3 adaptor coming in the mail (from Poland ;-)

    I will try Bokeh shaping via adaptor on my 17mm f3.5 Tamron Adaptall-II FD lens when it arrives.

    @camerondowning Yes, the real anamorphics are great, but as stated earlier, the cinemorph-type filter on a normal lens is a great tool for certain situations.