These politicians are not clever enough to be so evil and cunning.

Germany have lost far more through the Greek crisis than they could ever hope to gain!

As a Brit, I am just glad we have stayed out of it all as much as possible.

In that case I agree entirely :) The corporate sector are clever enough - and powerful enough - to control a country for their own ends. The politicians are nothing. They are ineffectual and their real job is to seek re-election, and to play the popularity game, rather than to rule over a system and to control a country.

They are ineffectual and their real job is to seek re-election, and to play the popularity game, rather than to rule over a system and to control a country.

Their real job is to stamp pure ideas into real laws and orders. And it is not because they are idiots, it is because system is made in such a way that anyone who has it's own opinion is filtered in early stages. Right now system transforms, removing all the camouflage and presenting in its true form.

I consider myself a very skeptical person who denies "conspiracy"theories. But i have also realize that whatever happenes to my country it is NOT because we DON't have money as country, as goverment.

As I written already Greece have many good things. many sectors had been hard to invade previously (but goverment is working on it fast). And also fleet, I am sure, will be soon sold at huge discount.

Very good techniques are developed to trash even countries with bunch of goods and money. Banks and IMF used them widely.

The last opinion poll indicated they wanted more bailouts and to stay in the euro.

No one know who finance guys making this polls. How questions had been formulated. You can also look at the film posted here abotu Greece. Best approach is to declare debt as made due to fraud and refuse to pay it. Also declaring publically all the details about banks and people behind it.

I hope you're both right. The last one I read was from a month ago

"A Kapa Research poll for Sunday's To Vima newspaper showed more than 77 percent of Greeks want the coalition government to do all it takes to ensure the country stays in the euro zone, a bloc that now includes 17 countries."

Actions speak louder than words. We'll see if they do as you suggest VK...

Its funny that the key element to all these problems is unrealized by most people of the world. That a bank can borrow $1,000 from you and pay you 0.25% interest, and take that $1,000 and lend it out as $10,000 (or more) for higher interest. And that is legal. The additional $9,000 is only created as debt when some one borrows it. So, the core mechanism id for banks to grow by lending as much money as possible. The little people make their 0.25% interest a year, and the bankers built billions of new paper assets out of creating new debt.

National fiscal sovereignty has been dead since about 1945.

Nope. It is much more complicated.

But right now rising Empire is fighting to conquer any countries not under their direct ruling.

For example, Libya had been eliminated and almost no one said a word.

Reasons? Europe got free backup oil source (handy during big upcoming war with Sirya and Iran). China, Russia and India had been just buying more time and both had been glad to eliminate country with quite strong alternative ideology.

Also, important point is that due to nature, independent country, working in interests of it's people, can not coexist with private banks. It does not work.

So, my view is that upcoming revolution won't be so much in pure ideas, but in techniques.